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Old 11-29-2011, 01:07 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Its not different than the last 5. I said that in my first post, thanks for paying attention. Have all the contempt you want when he is averaging 20+ 7+ 1+ and playing solid D.

I prefer to cheer my team. I am willing to start a contemptablecynicspoopooforum.com for you if you would like.
So I'm a contemptible poopoo? Nice. You lost me. I'm glad you get to make up whatever shit you like.

And it's not different than any other year. You always say he's going to be getting it together.
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Old 11-29-2011, 01:10 PM   #42 (permalink)
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For clarity 19.9 is less than 20
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For clarity 19.9 is less than 20
hopefully you're as strict about it when it comes to bargnani's stats
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So I'm a contemptible poopoo? Nice. You lost me. I'm glad you get to make up whatever shit you like.

And it's not different than any other year. You always say he's going to be getting it together.
I know, but this year is different
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hopefully you're as strict about it when it comes to bargnani's stats
LOL I will be now
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I could really care less if he scores 25+. I'll be looking for the team's overall defense to be as good or better when he is on the floor as opposed to when he is off the floor. Then it will be possible to suggest that his defense is passable, and it will allow the coach to make use of him in a system that is supposed to stress a commitment to defense. And I will be looking for some decent consistency. Otherwise he'll simply be a player that needs to go. Too dreary deary? Too bad. That's the way your team becomes really worth cheering for.
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I could really care less if he scores 25+. I'll be looking for the team's overall defense to be as good or better when he is on the floor as opposed to when he is off the floor. Then it will be possible to suggest that his defense is passable, and it will allow the coach to make use of him in a system that is supposed to stress a commitment to defense. And I will be looking for some decent consistency. Otherwise he'll simply be a player that needs to go. Too dreary deary? Too bad. That's the way your team becomes really worth cheering for.
Great so we are on the same page.

I will be looking for the teams d to improve when he is on the floor as well. Again which I stated in my first post.

Glad we are in agreement.

Where we differ is, I believe your team is ALWAYS worth cheering for. Even if they are shittier than an M.Knight movie, not named Unbreakable or Sixth Sense.
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Great so we are on the same page.

I will be looking for the teams d to improve when he is on the floor as well. Again which I stated in my first post.

Glad we are in agreement.

Where we differ is, I believe your team is ALWAYS worth cheering for. Even if they are shittier than an M.Knight movie, not named Unbreakable or Sixth Sense.
the village was pretty good and i kinda like signs too. Unbreakable is awesome!
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the village was pretty good and i kinda like signs too. Unbreakable is awesome!
Ban this man, the village (your right it doesn't deserve to be capitalized) was one of the worst movies ever made.
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Ban this man, the village (your right it doesn't deserve to be capitalized) was one of the worst movies ever made.
atmospheric, liked the visuals. Some of the plot was good, some not so good. Overall, enjoyed the experience.
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I could really care less if he scores 25+. I'll be looking for the team's overall defense to be as good or better when he is on the floor as opposed to when he is off the floor. Then it will be possible to suggest that his defense is passable, and it will allow the coach to make use of him in a system that is supposed to stress a commitment to defense. And I will be looking for some decent consistency. Otherwise he'll simply be a player that needs to go. Too dreary deary? Too bad. That's the way your team becomes really worth cheering for.
I don't think that is necessary. It just can't be dramatically worse. There has to be a weakest player defensively at a position - and it is usually the strongest offensive player at that position. The goal is to limit the difference (offensively and defensively) between on court and off court performance.

Lots of strong players have negative impacts defensively, since their backups are often defensive specialists, or play against the opposition's bench.

The Celtics' defense gets 2 points per 100 possessions worse when Ray Allen plays. The Bulls' defense gets 8 points worse with Rose on the court. Heck, it gets 4 points worse when Noah plays. The Lakers' defense gets worse by 4 points when Kobe steps on the floor. The Heat's defense gets a point worse with Wade on the floor. The Thunder's defense gets 4 points worse when Durant plays. The Raptors' defense gets 5.5 point worse when Bargnani plays.

It's not really an outlier. The key is for him to improve his offensive impact on the team, which I certainly believe he could, if utilized properly, and for the team as a whole to improve defensively.
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I don't think that is necessary. It just can't be dramatically worse. There has to be a weakest player defensively at a position - and it is usually the strongest offensive player at that position. The goal is to limit the difference (offensively and defensively) between on court and off court performance.

Lots of strong players have negative impacts defensively, since their backups are often defensive specialists, or play against the opposition's bench.

The Celtics' defense gets 2 points per 100 possessions worse when Ray Allen plays. The Bulls' defense gets 8 points worse with Rose on the court. Heck, it gets 4 points worse when Noah plays. The Lakers' defense gets worse by 4 points when Kobe steps on the floor. The Heat's defense gets a point worse with Wade on the floor. The Thunder's defense gets 4 points worse when Durant plays. The Raptors' defense gets 5.5 point worse when Bargnani plays.

It's not really an outlier. The key is for him to improve his offensive impact on the team, which I certainly believe he could, if utilized properly, and for the team as a whole to improve defensively.
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Yes. Everyone knows Dan is sharp as a knife and the village was alright.
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I don't think that is necessary. It just can't be dramatically worse. There has to be a weakest player defensively at a position - and it is usually the strongest offensive player at that position. The goal is to limit the difference (offensively and defensively) between on court and off court performance.

Lots of strong players have negative impacts defensively, since their backups are often defensive specialists, or play against the opposition's bench.

The Celtics' defense gets 2 points per 100 possessions worse when Ray Allen plays. The Bulls' defense gets 8 points worse with Rose on the court. Heck, it gets 4 points worse when Noah plays. The Lakers' defense gets worse by 4 points when Kobe steps on the floor. The Heat's defense gets a point worse with Wade on the floor. The Thunder's defense gets 4 points worse when Durant plays. The Raptors' defense gets 5.5 point worse when Bargnani plays.

It's not really an outlier. The key is for him to improve his offensive impact on the team, which I certainly believe he could, if utilized properly, and for the team as a whole to improve defensively.
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jeez....who invited Dan to the Bargs bashing, what a buzz kill....
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i always knew kobes d was overated, had no business making all defensive team all those years
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jeez....who invited Dan to the Bargs bashing, what a buzz kill....
what buzz kill? some oddball possesson stat over a season doesn't disprove Bargnani standing around doing nothing defensively(aside to the confused chicken like head movements and flinching at rebounds coming right at him).
He's a monstrous liability as is(far greater than any of these players mentioned) and belongs on the bench in a barbosa role. First team he plays for to figure it out wins

i still got my buzz until Bargnani shuts me up
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what buzz kill? some oddball possesson stat over a season doesn't disprove Bargnani standing around doing nothing defensively(aside to the confused chicken like head movements and flinching at rebounds coming right at him).
He's a monstrous liability as is(far greater than any of these players mentioned) and belongs on the bench in a barbosa role. First team he plays for to figure it out wins

i still got my buzz until Bargnani shuts me up
Agreed, but that same stat then cant be used to prove his inadequacy as a basketball player.

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I don't think that is necessary. It just can't be dramatically worse. There has to be a weakest player defensively at a position - and it is usually the strongest offensive player at that position. The goal is to limit the difference (offensively and defensively) between on court and off court performance.

Lots of strong players have negative impacts defensively, since their backups are often defensive specialists, or play against the opposition's bench.

The Celtics' defense gets 2 points per 100 possessions worse when Ray Allen plays. The Bulls' defense gets 8 points worse with Rose on the court. Heck, it gets 4 points worse when Noah plays. The Lakers' defense gets worse by 4 points when Kobe steps on the floor. The Heat's defense gets a point worse with Wade on the floor. The Thunder's defense gets 4 points worse when Durant plays. The Raptors' defense gets 5.5 point worse when Bargnani plays.

It's not really an outlier. The key is for him to improve his offensive impact on the team, which I certainly believe he could, if utilized properly, and for the team as a whole to improve defensively.
There is clearly room for SOME weakness from strong offensive players on the extremely good defensive teams you point to. That doesn't mean they are bad defenders. It is a reflection of how good their team is defensively. If the Heat and Bulls are making it hard for any opposing teams to score 90 points, then having the overall defense drop some with any particular player on the court isn't much of an issue.

When your team is the worst in the league defensively, over two consecutive years, and you routinely give up more than 110, it is hard to say that a player is good defensively when his team shows some ability to improve on that end when he is sitting down.

Andrea has to do more than improve his offensive impact if a coach that preaches defensive accountability is going to have any chance of succeeding. If the team improves dramatically enough on defense that his own differential becomes as inconsequential as Rose's or Noah's, then I would not even consider using the stat in an individual sense, but would commend him for being a part of the improvement. I honestly don't see where a defense gets that much better without him improving a great deal in that respect. No team is going to hold teams under 80 or 90 when Ben Wallace lights you up for 20 plus.
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The Celtics' defense gets 2 points per 100 possessions worse when Ray Allen plays. The Bulls' defense gets 8 points worse with Rose on the court. Heck, it gets 4 points worse when Noah plays. The Lakers' defense gets worse by 4 points when Kobe steps on the floor. The Heat's defense gets a point worse with Wade on the floor. The Thunder's defense gets 4 points worse when Durant plays. The Raptors' defense gets 5.5 point worse when Bargnani plays.
Its a very good post, but you are comparing's the NBA best defensive teams. The whole Chicago team has a commitment to defense, the is no lapse with bench players and starters. However, when you put the Raps who had the worst defensive stats in NBA history in the same sentence with the best defensive teams, can you imagine the impact of Bargnani to those stats. A shit defensive player on the worst defensive team in NBA history. If the Bulls defense gets gets 4 points per 100 possessions worse when Noah plays, take out Noah and insert Bargnani. Those 4 points will turn into double digits.
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