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Old 01-25-2013, 11:19 PM   #21 (permalink)
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again I still don't believe it
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Agreed, but we as the Raptors must stay in the ridiculous category.
Lowry strike one

Lowry strike two

Lowry as a Raptor strike 3

Rip the paper children !!!!!


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Old 01-25-2013, 11:20 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I don't think it's as bad as you guys are making out to be. Lowry is a great player, but he is not untouchable. I think Gasol would give us a lot more respectability and would present a more attractive destination for FA then Lowry. BUt it would be a whole new direction for this team. I am a little unsure how this would work space wise with the rest our big rotations. And we would be still looking for a front line defender, not that Lowry was the answer.
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Old 01-25-2013, 11:26 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Look jeff, there's a reason why Jose is playing more than Lowry. No, you are not smarter than Casey nor Colangelo.

If they trade Lowry, reuniting Gasol with Calderon may not be bad. I'm just afraid of where Davis would go after :/
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Old 01-25-2013, 11:30 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Houston couldnt get rid of Lowry fast enough.

Memphis too.

He aint all that

And saying Calderon has been average at best is just stupid. Sorry man, it just is.
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I like Lowry, but can't you guys see it ain't working??? Jeff your stats is nice on paper , but the dude can't stay healthy, and there are other issues too I guess. We are 2-13 with Lowry as a starter and 14-13 with Jose as a starter. Don't you guys think that if Lowry is such a freakin beast the Rockets would have traded him for a better value? Well, mind you, this trade looked good on our end back then, not so much now though...Something isn't right there. The fact that he lost his spot in the starting lineup should be a red flag.
And yes, saying Jose was average at best is just stupid. Enough said.
But you know what more stupid and laughable? This press conference by BC and they way he said out loud and praise Lowry as a PG and how he is our the PG of the future and blah blah blah... Looking at this video now just make me feel how our GM needs to go. If you praise a player like this, and trade him in mid season ala JO it's messed up.


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Look jeff, there's a reason why Jose is playing more than Lowry. No, you are not smarter than Casey nor Colangelo.

If they trade Lowry, reuniting Gasol with Calderon may not be bad. I'm just afraid of where Davis would go after :/
mehhh, i'm done if they stick with the guy they've been trying to trade for 3 years while giving the new guy 30 games.
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Lowry for gasol is a super short-term move for a rebuilding team. Perfect for bc trying to save his contract but dumb for a team looking past the next 2 seasons. A big shiny treadmill.
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Old 01-25-2013, 11:41 PM   #27 (permalink)
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mehhh, i'm done if they stick with the guy they've been trying to trade for 3 years while giving the new guy 30 games.
I think you have to stop looking at it as Jose Vs Lowry scenario. I really don't even see it as a Lowry isn't working out situation. This would be a great trade that make the team better. The only thing clouding your judgement on this is that you haven't watched Bargs play in over month.
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Lowry for gasol is a super short-term move for a rebuilding team. Perfect for bc trying to save his contract but dumb for a team looking past the next 2 seasons. A big shiny treadmill.
And holding on to Bargs is? Oh yeah a long-term shit hole.
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And holding on to Bargs is? Oh yeah a long-term shit hole.
Who says we have to hold on to Bargs just because we don't want Lowry for gasol? Sweet logic breh!
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Old 01-25-2013, 11:45 PM   #30 (permalink)
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That said, we’re talking a small sample size and I’m not sure that Casey has done enough to help maximize Lowry’s strengths.

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While Lowry may not get traded, rarely do Raps trade a piece that big w/o the possibility leaking in advance. So, take it for what you will.
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Old 01-25-2013, 11:51 PM   #31 (permalink)
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i'll scream for murder if we actually trade lowry for a player not on the all star squad
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Old 01-25-2013, 11:51 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Lowry for gasol is a super short-term move for a rebuilding team. Perfect for bc trying to save his contract but dumb for a team looking past the next 2 seasons. A big shiny treadmill.
I don't think it even works in the short-term. I like the way Ed and Amir are playing together, they're fun to watch. Gasol could take Gray's minutes....but I'm not sure Gasol would be to happy about that.
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Old 01-25-2013, 11:53 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Who says we have to hold on to Bargs just because we don't want Lowry for gasol? Sweet logic breh!
I believe the trade would be Bargs + PG for Gasol. It makes sense to hold on to Calderon in that situation over lowry. So Sweet indeed there sister.
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Old 01-25-2013, 11:55 PM   #34 (permalink)
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We are 2-13 with Lowry as a starter and 14-13 with Jose as a starter. .
The thing is, wasn't Bargs playing in most of the games Lowry started? I'd put those losses on Bargs being a defensive liability.

I feel as if the wins came as a result of Barg's injury and an easier schedule. Those wins would have possibly happened with Lowry as a starter.
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Old 01-25-2013, 11:55 PM   #35 (permalink)
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yes he would, playing with Kobe and Howard is hell
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Old 01-25-2013, 11:58 PM   #36 (permalink)
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I believe the trade would be Bargs + PG for Gasol. It makes sense to hold on to Calderon in that situation over lowry. So Sweet indeed there sister.
All I'm saying is that sticking with a 31 year old pg and adding a 32 year old pf with bad wheels when you are rebuilding is a bad idea when you already have a solid 26 year old pg. dealing Bargs separately makes more sense. Gasol does not add enough to abandon rebuilding. I can say I don't want this deal without saying that I want to keep bargnani.
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The thing is, wasn't Bargs playing in most of the games Lowry started? I'd put those losses on Bargs being a defensive liability.

I feel as if the wins came as a result of Barg's injury and an easier schedule. Those wins would have possibly happened with Lowry as a starter.
Honestly, there are a lot of reasons we lost a lot early which FYI included a nearly 3 week stint in November without Lowry with Jose starting. Injuries to Anderson, Lowry, Fields as the team was trying to mesh with the toughest schedule in the league the first 6 weeks. Bargnani struggling a great deal, Kleiza stinking and us not having anyone to rely on at SF, Davis not getting many minutes, Lucas stunk off ther bench when Lowry went down. Casey trying to play up tempo while we continued to stink defensively as a team which was supposed to be a strength.

Injuries + Schedule + changing the system + Bargs strugling + 7 new players= Horrid start
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:07 AM   #38 (permalink)
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I agree Jeff.

but why is this an issue?
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:08 AM   #39 (permalink)
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I agree Jeff.

but why is this an issue?
Why is what an issue?
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:11 AM   #40 (permalink)
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We didn't have nearly the same bench production from Anderson (injured) or Ross back then, plus Ed wasnt playing as good as he is now. Thats been the difference between our wins and losses, not Lowry. Plus, there have been multiple games where Lowry came off the bench to outplay Calderon.

No way in hell should we have to include Lowry in a deal for Gasol, when we need him a lot less than people seem to think.

I really wanna keep Lowry, but if BC does decide to trade him, I'd much rather have him target a player like Cousins (unlikely though) or Al Jefferson who is IMO the best player out of the bunch. Even Pekovic could be a good idea if he's avaliable (which many rumors have hinted at being true).
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