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Old 08-02-2009, 05:36 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Roko needs to seriously work on his shot. No one is contesting that he has playing making abilities and can take it through the lane and to the hole rather effectively. It's just that his shot is bad enough to counteract all of those positives. I'd love for him to succeed, but he didn't even show very much during the Summer League from what i've read.
Also, I think he shot around 50% during the summer league. I could've looked at the numbers incorrectly, but yeah, about 50%.
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Old 08-02-2009, 05:49 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Hello?????????????? This guy is making 1.4 million next year, shit. I think he is more then perfect at that price. 40% 3 shooting over two years and he puts up 8ppg, I will take it any time, especially considering the guy we gave them is next to useless.
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Old 08-02-2009, 06:28 PM   #23 (permalink)
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OMG, Ukic is horrible on most aspects of the game, he got the minutes in the summer league and played miserable like a starting, maybe bench D-league player at best, has shown no signs of improvement from last season, and if i'm not mistaken he'll be 26 in a short while. Please everyone get off his dick, he will never be a starter or backup for this club, or the NBA for that matter.
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He was horrible in summer which is filled with D-leaguers. He's a supposed "gym rat" who has never been a good shooter and @ 25yrs old still doesn't seem to be improving from what we saw in the summer league. I heard Jack Armstrong on the Fan this week saying that Belinelli has "it", and thinks this kid at 23 should flourish in Toronto and everytime he's seen him play he's been impressed. He then went on to say that Belinelli will likely be the 3rd PG this season ahead of Roko.

I really don't understand how anyone who watched Roko last season can seriously say he's anything more then a 3rd PG or a D-Leaguer. He's very one demensional on offence and maybe average as a defender at best.
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lmao any one who use the word suspect in a blog and expects people to take him serouisly is suspect themselves lols

"His defence is suspect"
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Old 08-02-2009, 09:23 PM   #25 (permalink)
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lmao any one who use the word suspect in a blog and expects people to take him serouisly is suspect themselves lols

"His defence is suspect"
I just watched a Wariors/Minnestota game from last season on RapsTv and his D was good. I gotta say though, Nellie has an extremely short leash on his young players. He came in, nailed a couple 3's and forced a TO and then was placed back on the bench.
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Old 08-03-2009, 02:08 AM   #26 (permalink)
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stop hating ukic
he will really good if he see some playing time
it is because triano doesn't like that he didn't have the chance to prove how good he is
we got too much guard right now I hope ukic see more than 15mpg
I'm sure that if we trade him we will regret it
Ukic's got one really bad habit that makes you pull your hair out and i don't think he'll ever be able to get rid of it. That's the tendency to jump in the air everytime he picks up his dribble and usually he has no clue what he's going to do with it when he's up there. God i hate that habit. If you watch for it, it will drive you crazy, he does it every time.
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Old 08-03-2009, 09:56 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Ukic's got one really bad habit that makes you pull your hair out and i don't think he'll ever be able to get rid of it. That's the tendency to jump in the air everytime he picks up his dribble and usually he has no clue what he's going to do with it when he's up there. God i hate that habit. If you watch for it, it will drive you crazy, he does it every time.

He has no clue, just like that game when he hit that shot against the Spurs he did basically that, he ran towards the rim jumped up and through up a floater. That's essentially his only move on offence and it's luck when it goes in. He seems to not have a clue. He seems to panic whenever he has to do something with the ball other then make a pass.

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i dont get the whole roko hate. i dont even know where it came from, i remember everyone liked him and then he had a couple of bad games and now it seems like the whole fan base is against him. wht did ppl expect from him?? He played okay for a bench player that was ALSO A ROOKIE. he had a couple of bad games sure, but he also won us a couple of games. JOSE'S ROOKIE SEASON WAS MUCH WORSE IMO but jose is starting for us now, btw i dont think his floater in the lane is just a lucky shot, he makes that shot consistently. Hes taller than most pgs so he can easily get that shot whenever he wants - thats why he uses it and how can you say his shooting hasnt improved? his shooting clearly improved over the summer. People hated moon because he shot too much (which he didnt imo most of the times just took the shots the defence gave him) and now they hate roko because hes a 25 year old rookie that cant shoot? hes not perfect he has a lot of faults (decision making in the lane and still a shaky 3-pt shot) but hes an excellent penetrator and can become good if given the opportunity. imho.
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i dont get the whole roko hate. i dont even know where it came from, i remember everyone liked him and then he had a couple of bad games and now it seems like the whole fan base is against him. wht did ppl expect from him?? He played okay for a bench player that was ALSO A ROOKIE. he had a couple of bad games sure, but he also won us a couple of games. JOSE'S ROOKIE SEASON WAS MUCH WORSE IMO but jose is starting for us now, btw i dont think his floater in the lane is just a lucky shot, he makes that shot consistently. Hes taller than most pgs so he can easily get that shot whenever he wants - thats why he uses it and how can you say his shooting hasnt improved? his shooting clearly improved over the summer. People hated moon because he shot too much (which he didnt imo most of the times just took the shots the defence gave him) and now they hate roko because hes a 25 year old rookie that cant shoot? hes not perfect he has a lot of faults (decision making in the lane and still a shaky 3-pt shot) but hes an excellent penetrator and can become good if given the opportunity. imho.

First of all, i was here all season posting during games and many here would swear and say, get him out of there. By the trade deadline many(myself included) wanted him traded. As for the comparison to Jose's rookie season, that's just a dumb argument. One is far from being the other. Jose in Europe was a good shooter with good ball handles and had alot more upside. Ukic has never been a good shooter and we read stuff here last summer before the season about people in Europe saying don't expect much from Roko, he's not starter material and he's not that good.
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everyone hates him becuase he sucks and is not improving, simple as that. Listen the guy cant shoot a ball for his life 90% of the time ( yes i know he won a game for us hiiting like 2 3's in the last few minutes, but the rest of the time, he couldent shoot worth a dam.
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i dont get the whole roko hate. i dont even know where it came from, i remember everyone liked him and then he had a couple of bad games and now it seems like the whole fan base is against him. wht did ppl expect from him?? He played okay for a bench player that was ALSO A ROOKIE. he had a couple of bad games sure, but he also won us a couple of games. JOSE'S ROOKIE SEASON WAS MUCH WORSE IMO but jose is starting for us now, btw i dont think his floater in the lane is just a lucky shot, he makes that shot consistently. Hes taller than most pgs so he can easily get that shot whenever he wants - thats why he uses it and how can you say his shooting hasnt improved? his shooting clearly improved over the summer. People hated moon because he shot too much (which he didnt imo most of the times just took the shots the defence gave him) and now they hate roko because hes a 25 year old rookie that cant shoot? hes not perfect he has a lot of faults (decision making in the lane and still a shaky 3-pt shot) but hes an excellent penetrator and can become good if given the opportunity. imho.
I'll admit i liked Roko and his potential the first half of the season. Problem was, he regressed instead of improving in the second half. I like the way he goes to the hole, he's great at that but after i saw him miss easy layup after easy layup i started to get frustrated with him.

He also has some serious flaws to his game that i don't know he can correct. One is the whole shooting thing, you spend your whole career with bad mechanics, it's really hard to change into proper ones in the heat of the battle, no matter how often you do it in practice. The other is that he gets so hyper with the ball that he jumps in the air with it eveytime he picks up his dribble. That is the absolute worst habit you can have in basketball, because once you up there you only have a split second to make a play and your options are severely limited. It's also one of the toughest habits to break, in basketball.
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First of all, i was here all season posting during games and many here would swear and say, get him out of there. By the trade deadline many(myself included) wanted him traded. As for the comparison to Jose's rookie season, that's just a dumb argument. One is far from being the other. Jose in Europe was a good shooter with good ball handles and had alot more upside. Ukic has never been a good shooter and we read stuff here last summer before the season about people in Europe saying don't expect much from Roko, he's not starter material and he's not that good.
okay first of all i only said that joses rookie season was worse not that ukic is going to be better nor did i say ukic is going to be a starter. Jose is my favourite player on my favourite team and i remember his struggles as a rookie was much worse than rokos. Is it too much to say that people need to cut roko some slack?? its his second year in the league and the fan base is coming down on his neck. He was put into a position where he wasnt fullly ready (to back-up Jose). Was that his fault? he did an alright job of backing jose up but whos to say that hes not going to get any better? he defenitely can get better, may be never a starter in this league but still can become a decent player. Your argument that you wanted roko traded after half a rookie season is just dumb and proves my point. What did you expect in half a year? or better yet if he was so shit what did you wanted to trade him for? clearly the pg spot was a position that was very thin and you wanted him traded away by the deadline?? How smart is that??
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I'll admit i liked Roko and his potential the first half of the season. Problem was, he regressed instead of improving in the second half. I like the way he goes to the hole, he's great at that but after i saw him miss easy layup after easy layup i started to get frustrated with him.

He also has some serious flaws to his game that i don't know he can correct. One is the whole shooting thing, you spend your whole career with bad mechanics, it's really hard to change into proper ones in the heat of the battle, no matter how often you do it in practice. The other is that he gets so hyper with the ball that he jumps in the air with it eveytime he picks up his dribble. That is the absolute worst habit you can have in basketball, because once you up there you only have a split second to make a play and your options are severely limited. It's also one of the toughest habits to break, in basketball.
yea i see what your trying to say and you could be rite, he might never improve significantly but on the other hand he could improve. Its not his fault that he was given a job that he wasnt fully ready for.
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People hated moon because he shot too much (which he didnt imo most of the times just took the shots the defence gave him)
yeah but the defense GAVE him those shots cuz they knew he wouldn't hit them... Theres a difference between actually defending a player and using their weaknesses against them.
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yeah but the defense GAVE him those shots cuz they knew he wouldn't hit them... Theres a difference between actually defending a player and using their weaknesses against them.
i know but moon was an average shooter not a bad shooter he just wasnt starter quality.
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Your argument that you wanted roko traded after half a rookie season is just dumb and proves my point.
If you're point is he sucks and should be traded, then yeah. He's our 4th PG going into the season, maybe. Only if he's better then Banks which is too close to call at this point.
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