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Old 03-08-2008, 12:29 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I think you didn't follow this board long enough. It doesn't matter if a shot falls or not, we (some at least) don't like him taking so many shots. I couldn't care less if he shoots 100%, everytime an open teammate doesn't get the ball, it's a very bad thing.
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Old 03-08-2008, 01:01 PM   #42 (permalink)
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I think you didn't follow this board long enough. It doesn't matter if a shot falls or not, we (some at least) don't like him taking so many shots. I couldn't care less if he shoots 100%, everytime an open teammate doesn't get the ball, it's a very bad thing.
Actually, I think I've followed this board the longest out of everyone.

I don't think TJ is taking that many shots per game though. So just to be sure, I checked up his stats. This season TJ is taking an average of 10.4 field goal attempts a game. Jose is taking 9.2 per game.

In fact, looking further at the numbers shows that TJ is taking exactly the same field goal attempts as his career average. Again, I don't have a problem with him taking his shots.

I wouldn't disagree that he's not taking great shots. Almost every one of them is in traffic, most fading away near the foul line with players hands in his face. However, he's taken virtually no three pointers and I think he's taking the shot he feels is best available to him. Close to the basket and with his opponent on his heels.

Make no mistake, at this point I'd rather have Calderon running the point, no question. But I think the general criticism towards TJ is a little unfounded.
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Old 03-08-2008, 01:27 PM   #43 (permalink)
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My 2 cents:

Although TJ is playing awfully some times, I think he deserves some respect. Bargs was being awful, Bosh sucked ... they are young players. I mean, what Derrick Martin has said.

The most important thing in a project isn't what players are able to do, but what they will be able to do. Let TJ learn what he has to learn, as Bargs.

I really think TJ is gonna be important for this team, just give him time to learn better the game. When our team is playing awful and nobody can buy a point, then I want to see TJ out there, cause the small fella can get his own shots without any help. That's also important for a team's success, and no many people can do it.
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Old 03-08-2008, 01:27 PM   #44 (permalink)
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what is he doing in the sequence before the shot though Lang?

What does he do after?

These are the questions that lead you in the right direction.
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Old 03-08-2008, 01:40 PM   #45 (permalink)
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what is he doing in the sequence before the shot though Lang?

What does he do after?

These are the questions that lead you in the right direction.
You're right, I have no excuse for that. I really wish he could create an offensive set instead of being the offensive set. I think Kris Humphries, Jamario Moon, and TJ Ford are all having major shot selection deficiencies. The difference is 2 of them are still hustling and not sulking.

It's too bad. In this town, if you're not hustling or you don't show love for the team or the city, you're crucified.
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Old 03-08-2008, 01:52 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Well here is my 2 cents on this issue. Its not always about the number of shots its the quality of shots. If you follow the game a good player that takes quality shots get away with all the negative shit and the label of being a ball hog.Now Jose is a player that takes quality shots, the argument you hear regarding him is that he does not shoot enough. Jose just seems to know when to take more of a scoring role and because of this he does not get ripped when he does take alot of shots.When you take a look at Moons game he gets ripped for taking bad shots, shots that really are out of his comfort zone, hence you read about him getting ripped by mitchell. Some players just seem to see the floor better then others this is something you just can't teach. Bargs is a player that can read the floor however confidence is his issue. Hes a player that takes good shots, shots like beyond the arc is a good shot for Bargs but not for others. He very seldom takes shots that you would consider to be forced. Unfortunately we have a players that forces the issue and thats TJ FORD, MOON, HUMP and DIXON when he was here.

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Old 03-08-2008, 03:03 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Yeah, it's one thing to look at the stats and say TJ didn't take that many shots, it's another to see the first 3 possesions of the 4th or the 6 minutes in the Orlando game and just read his body language and lack of team play. We were up by 6, he drove into a horde of people without looking at his teammates and forced up a crap shot or turnover... 3 straight times. The possesions after the teammates were taken out of their game and lost.

It's naive to think there isn't a problem with TJ's ego and being benched right now. It's as clear as glass.
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Old 03-08-2008, 03:35 PM   #48 (permalink)
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You're right, I have no excuse for that. I really wish he could create an offensive set instead of being the offensive set. I think Kris Humphries, Jamario Moon, and TJ Ford are all having major shot selection deficiencies. The difference is 2 of them are still hustling and not sulking.

It's too bad. In this town, if you're not hustling or you don't show love for the team or the city, you're crucified.
I agree.

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Old 03-08-2008, 07:04 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Point guard is one of the standard positions in a regulation basketball game. The point guard is normally the smallest player on the team and has perhaps the most specialized role of any position. Essentially, the point guard is expected to run the team's offense by controlling the ball and making sure that it gets to the right players at the right time. After an opponent scores, it is typically the point guard who brings the ball down court to begin an offensive play. For this reason, passing skills and court vision are essential; great point guards are often evaluated more on their assist totals than on their scoring. Still, a first-rate point guard should also have a reasonably effective jump shot and should be a scoring threat from long distance.

Point guards should also exert a leadership role on the floor similar to that of a quarterback in American football. A true point guard's job is to create instances that lead to a field goal for his team; this includes passing, but also running the offense: setting up plays on the court, getting the ball to the teammate that he feels is in the best position to score, and also dictating the tempo of the game. Many times, the point guard is referred to by announcers as a "coach on the floor" or a "floor general". In the past, this was particularly true, as several point guards (like Lenny Wilkens) served their team as player-coach. This is not as common anymore, as most coaches choose to call out the plays they wish to have run before each possession, but some point guards are still given a great deal of leeway in the offense: for example, during Steve Nash's MVP 2004-05 season, Phoenix Suns coach Mike D'Antoni allowed him to freelance often when leading the Suns' high-powered offense, even letting Nash call his own plays at times. But even point guards who are not given this much freedom are still extensions of their coach on the floor, and must display good leadership skills.

The styles with which point guards do their job vary widely from player to player. Quickness is often cited as a necessity for the position, but this is not necessarily true. While players like Nash, Rafer Alston, Allen Iverson, and Tony Parker thrive on quickness, many other point guards, like Mike Bibby and Kirk Hinrich, rely on savvy to lead their team. Likewise, many effective point guards help their team by being fantastic shooters (some examples would be Chauncey Billups, Jason Terry, Derek Fisher, and Damon Jones). The important thing for point guards is to be able to pass and dribble the ball frequently without committing turnovers, and to keep the team under control at all times.

High-profile point guards currently playing include Steve Nash, Chris Paul, Allen Iverson, Tony Parker, Jason Kidd, Jason Terry, Mike Bibby, Nick Van Exel, Baron Davis, Chauncey Billups, Sue Bird (of the WNBA), Steve Francis, T.J. Ford, and Gilbert Arenas. Great point guards of the past include Bob Cousy, Lenny Wilkens, Walt Frazier, Nate Archibald, Magic Johnson (who was an unusual point guard, standing at 6'9"/2.06 m), Isiah Thomas, and John Stockton. Another great guard of the past, Oscar Robertson, combined the skills of a point guard with those of a small forward, foreshadowing the modern role of the point forward.



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Old 03-08-2008, 07:08 PM   #50 (permalink)
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Steve Francis, Gilbert Arenas, Jason Terry, Nick Van Excel, Allen Iverson are bad examples of PG's. lol
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Old 03-09-2008, 05:13 PM   #51 (permalink)
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TJ is taking 10.2 shots in 22:41 and has 6 assists per game. That comes to:

1.7 shots / assist and 0.47 shots per minute

Jose takes 9.3 shots in 32:00 and has 8.7 assists per game. That comes to:

1.05 shots/assist and 0.29 shots per minute.

That's a staggering difference. And it gets worse:

In terms of shots per minute,
Moon: 0.27
Parker: 0.32
Bosh: 0.46
Bargnani: 0.38
Delfino: 0.32
Kapono: 0.33

Besides CB4, Ford is taking at least 50% more shots per minute than ANY other Raptor. That's unacceptable for a pg.

And over the past 9 games since his return?
91 shots in 175 minutes, which comes to 0.52 shots per minute.

So, I'm sorry, but TJ takes WAY too many shots. Even if he wasn't a pg, he's one of our worst shooters, everybody in the starting 5 shooter better than him, and Kapono and Delfino are also better shooters. So you basically have the worst shooter taking the most shots - and that shooter is supposed to be a point guard ...
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