BC Talks about his 2012 Draft Screwup - Page 3
Old 11-15-2012, 07:22 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Sure he does, a lot more than Drummond that's for sure. At this point it's about developing him. But what he brings to the table (Shooting, Defense) is exactly what we needed.
How many TRUE big men do we have on our roster?

Bargs? - No.
Amir? - No.
Ed? - No.
Gray? - Yes.
Jonas? - Yes

So tell me again why drafting Drummond wouldn't have been a good idea rather than drafting a swingman... arguably the easiest position in the league to fill?
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:38 PM   #42 (permalink)
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How many TRUE big men do we have on our roster?

Bargs? - No.
Amir? - No.
Ed? - No.
Gray? - Yes.
Jonas? - Yes

So tell me again why drafting Drummond wouldn't have been a good idea rather than drafting a swingman... arguably the easiest position in the league to fill?
With a Drummond pick Gray might not have been signed - the roster spot was there for Drummond.

Passing on Drummond was bad, but the decision that gets me is passing on Quincy Miller in the second round.

Sure, QM probably won't ever live up to his potential, but was definitely worth the risk of wasting a second round pick.
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With a Drummond pick Gray might not have been signed - the roster spot was there for Drummond.

Passing on Drummond was bad, but the decision that gets me is passing on Quincy Miller in the second round.

Sure, QM probably won't ever live up to his potential, but was definitely worth the risk of wasting a second round pick.
Quincy Miller is in the D league.
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How many TRUE big men do we have on our roster?

Bargs? - No.
Amir? - No.
Ed? - No.
Gray? - Yes.
Jonas? - Yes

So tell me again why drafting Drummond wouldn't have been a good idea rather than drafting a swingman... arguably the easiest position in the league to fill?
Amir and Davis aren't big men? That's news to me.
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:44 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Quincy Miller is in the D league.
Right, because he's 19 and not ready for the NBA.

The guy has skill, though.

And a much higher ceiling than Acy (who looks to me like he'll be playing PF in Europe in a few years).
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Quincy Miller is in the D league.
He was a "potential" pick, not a, he's completely ready for the nba type pick. Also, it's good that he's in the dleague and getting a lot of PT as opposed to being a 13th-15th man for a fairly deep denver nuggets team. I think what happened was they picked Acy because they thought that ED would be traded or would be trade fodder and seeing as how JonasV was coming in and Bargs had been the ultimate tease they thought they may as well get a potential fourth big with a recognizable skill (rebounding).

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Old 11-15-2012, 08:03 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Amir and Davis aren't big men? That's news to me.
You know what I mean. They're fine for the 4 spot but grossly undersized for the 5.

Jonas @ the 4 and Drummond @ the 5 would have set our frontcourt for the next 10 years. And BOTH of those guys would have the size and toughness to go toe to toe with the biggest C's around.
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the biggest knocks against drummond were work ethic, lack of motor and lack of offensive skills. Plus, he was widely considered the most likely to be a bust.

There's a reason he slipped to 9, and it remains to be seen how effective he will be when he starts playing long minutes. I remember how CV slipped to us in 2005 because of similar concerns about his work ethic and then we went on to have a great rookie season only to regress to the point he is now. The league is full of extremely gifted athletes who end up going nowhere because they don't improve their games.
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the biggest knocks against drummond were work ethic, lack of motor and lack of offensive skills. Plus, he was widely considered the most likely to be a bust.

There's a reason he slipped to 9, and it remains to be seen how effective he will be when he starts playing long minutes. I remember how CV slipped to us in 2005 because of similar concerns about his work ethic and then we went on to have a great rookie season only to regress to the point he is now. The league is full of extremely gifted athletes who end up going nowhere because they don't improve their games.
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So tell me again why drafting Drummond wouldn't have been a good idea rather than drafting a swingman... arguably the easiest position in the league to fill?
actually, the league is full of talented centers (not elite, but very good). Swingmans are the hardest position to fill right now, there are very few talented wing players under 28. That's why you have guys like galinari, batum or derozan getting big paycheques for mediocre production.

check this list:

2012-13 Regular Season NBA Player Stats and League Leaders - Scoring Per Game - National Basketball Association - ESPN

Only 8 SFs in the entire league score at least 15ppg and the only younger guy in that list is batum. Furthermore, of the top 30 players, excluding the really old ones, the only guys who could potentially be available in the next 1-2 years are:

affalo (yikes)
al-farouq aminu
chandler parsons
dorell wright
corey brewer
alonzo gee
gerald green
ronnie brewer

at SGs is the same scenario, only 13 players break the 15ppg barrier and of the top 30, only these guys could be targets for us:

1. mayo
2. jr smith
3. wes matthews
4. jj reddick
5. marcus thornton
6. etwan moore
7. louis williams
8. jordan crawford
9. kyle korver
10. nick young
11. jared dudley
12. daniel gibson

So good luck finding a good wing these days through free agency or trades ...
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if Quincy Miller did not have an ACL surgery, he would have been drafted in the first round, probably from 5 to 10. The guy lost considerable amount of speed and explosivness, and that is why his stock went down sharply, but if you look at his passing ability, ball handling and jump shot, you could see easily a star that has been overlooked due to injury.
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the biggest knocks against drummond were work ethic, lack of motor and lack of offensive skills. Plus, he was widely considered the most likely to be a bust.

There's a reason he slipped to 9, and it remains to be seen how effective he will be when he starts playing long minutes. I remember how CV slipped to us in 2005 because of similar concerns about his work ethic and then we went on to have a great rookie season only to regress to the point he is now. The league is full of extremely gifted athletes who end up going nowhere because they don't improve their games.
If you're talking about a guard or a SF or even a PF then yes.....

When you start talking about a 7ft, 280lbs athletic C that changes the game.

THAT's worth the risk.


As for your worries about not finding a SF.... Matt Barnes was kicking around doing nothing until the Clips picked him up. Weems has also been over in Europe working on his game. There are 2 right off the bat that we could have had with very little effort (and for a cheap cost).

In contrast, look back in Raps history and see how many TRUE C's we've had.
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You know what I mean. They're fine for the 4 spot but grossly undersized for the 5.

Jonas @ the 4 and Drummond @ the 5 would have set our frontcourt for the next 10 years. And BOTH of those guys would have the size and toughness to go toe to toe with the biggest C's around.
Neither Jonas or Drummond can play the 4.
So you'll have a flaw there again.
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You guys always pick 8th. The NBA gods need to put helium in your ping pong ball.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:47 PM   #57 (permalink)
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You guys always pick 8th. The NBA gods need to put helium in your ping pong ball.
I do not why, but you are right.
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Neither Jonas or Drummond can play the 4.
So you'll have a flaw there again.
Uhhhh... why wouldn't Jonas be able to play the 4?

He's just as quick (if not quicker) than Bargs is now and HE plays the 4.
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Uhhhh... why wouldn't Jonas be able to play the 4?

He's just as quick (if not quicker) than Bargs is now and HE plays the 4.
Yeah, Jonas did a great job on Dirk last year, he is quick and long enough to guard 4s, even stretch 4s.

In fact, I think he's probably better defensively at PF right now, but that's not really an option with the depth we have at that position.

In the long run he will be a better fit at the 5, though.

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