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Old 06-04-2010, 08:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Sorry i need vent this out be it fair or unfair i dont know but I am just pissed with BC right now. Like many of you I had big hopes for the raps when he (BC)joined our team but now those hopes are just running on fumes. BC has dismantled this team with his vision and left us starless.

Unlike some of the other posters I dont care which corner of the globe he gets his players from as long as they can play high IQ bbal with good D and make smart plays on the offensive and defensive end. Also his selection for head coach and assitant coaches has left me nothing but baffled. So while the Raptors again in 4 years stare down the abyss of rebuilding I for one cannot blame anyone but BC for this mess we are in. Our star is about to walk or definitely walking and might not even consider S&T according to some rumors, since after july 1st he (Bosh) owes the Raptors nothing and all we are left with is Mr. Ball and some young guys who are not proven. There are alot of assumptions as to which stars might come here to replace Bosh and trade rumor hype or Bosh S&T deals but honestly none of them are guaranteed and given the MLSE is not a big fan of winning none of these stars are really singing kumbaya and roasting marshmellows around a bonfire at the thought of coming here to Toronto.

Bargs is still developing for a No.1 pick with his numbers barely and I mean quite literally barely better than last year and his work ethic is a little bit questionable. Also as he ages how good will his health be? But I still have some hopes for Bargs. Jose while at the begining showed so much hope has left all yearning for more at the PG spot, JJ is almost the same and can be very streaky. We lack a decent wing player and soon we will be searching for a decent PF or a decent C. Then there is Mr. Ball..sigh!

All of this has left me wondering why is BC so highly talked about? i think part of it is his family name, the colangelo name not Bryan himself. So while BC has left Toronto in dissmal shape and the Bosh haters are all rejoicing right now since our only star is ready to walk I for one dont see much coming in this off season to the Raptors in terms of solid talent. Trust me I will eat crow if he (BC) does pull off a miracle some where down the line and team sky-rockets in terms of performance on the floor but for now my hopes are down and right now it is really hard to envision anyone *stars wise* wanting to play with the raps under Trianos/PJ carlismo's coaching and MLSEs track record for not caring about building a winning franchise...

Thanks a lot BC for breaking the future of the raps :facepalm: Label me w/e you want but I think my concerns are pretty valid.

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Old 06-04-2010, 09:06 AM   #2 (permalink)
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BC followed his vision of making this a contention team, nobody knew that turkoglu was going to be a lazy fuck nor that Triano had a lack of balls to mold this team together and he certainly had no control in players just not trying after he called them out last november (?) last summer he had to build this team both ways, make the team a playoff threat by adding turkoglu making our offense top tier while at the same time putting in some talented and athletic youth to prepare for the future (belli, weems, derozan and amir) he also trusted in marc and jay to mold the team together quickly (which I find is a very difficult thing to do) in a span of 7 months before playoffs while also hiring english to improve on bargnani's and bosh's post scoring which he has done pretty well.

His image was something we raptor fans longed for during the summer and we honestly thought he did a great job and making this team's future bright again, but shit happens yes maybe the fault was with BC but this sackless team deserves the blame as much as you give BC.
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Old 06-04-2010, 09:09 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Bargs is pretty healthy for a big man
and MLSE wants a winner, they want more dates at the ACC and higher attendance. Raps are not the Leafs and won't come close to selling out if they suck.
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Old 06-04-2010, 09:12 AM   #4 (permalink)
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it's clear that something went wrong, but his job did often looked pretty nice at the time he did his moves
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Old 06-04-2010, 09:13 AM   #5 (permalink)
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The biggest fault I see is not being willing to trade valuable pieces like Jose when he was a hot item, or Bargnani, to get that surefire second option or strong defender. He's played around with the free agent market with zero success and given away draft picks, and all of that proves to be a net negative against some really nice moves with the smaller pieces and pickups.
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Old 06-04-2010, 09:28 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Rants like this a month + before we know what we're doing with the roster make little sense. Ranting on saying he's left us without a star before Bosh has officially made a decision.

To be honest, i've liked pretty much every move he's made when they occured. Some have panned out others haven't. But i'm not gonna jump on the guy after praising him when the deals went down. That would be stupid and hypocritical.
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Old 06-04-2010, 09:58 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Rants like this a month + before we know what we're doing with the roster make little sense. Ranting on saying he's left us without a star before Bosh has officially made a decision.

To be honest, i've liked pretty much every move he's made when they occured. Some have panned out others haven't. But i'm not gonna jump on the guy after praising him when the deals went down. That would be stupid and hypocritical.
Fair enough, but i was never a big fan of the Turk signing and I was always took the notion of "lets see where it goes" instead of "OH this signing was great! good job BC, this will greatly benefit our team"

Oh well i guess I will have to maintain the same notion that "lets see what happens in july" but right now im just frustrated with BC 4 years later back to square 1 almost...lets hope not, but it is a big possibility.
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Fair enough, but i was never a big fan of the Turk signing and I was always took the notion of "lets see where it goes" instead of "OH this signing was great! good job BC, this will greatly benefit our team"

Oh well i guess I will have to maintain the same notion that "lets see what happens in july" but right now im just frustrated with BC 4 years later back to square 1 almost...lets hope not, but it is a big possibility.
Yeah, i hated the JO trade. But when i look back at his moves i liked most of them. Garbo, AP, Araujo for Hump, Delfino for 2 2nd rounders, Delfino/Ukic trade to bring in Weems/Amir, Beli, T.J for CV, Hedo and even looking back at Kapono signing i liked it at the time.

The only issue now imo is that he needs to bring in an All-star type guard. And in order to do so he may have to trade Bargnani, but i doubt he's even willing to trade him.

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Old 06-04-2010, 10:23 AM   #9 (permalink)
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at the beginning of the season most fans where high on BC moves. But when your supposed star pg (Jose) your supposed star and most wanted and overhyped F.A. (Hedo), your starting sf (DD which wasn't ready for a starting role) underachieve who's fault? For sure you can say i'm a fan and not a GM so BC had to Know, and maybe that's right, but i don't think all his job is shit
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Old 06-04-2010, 10:43 AM   #10 (permalink)
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IMO you can't always judge a GM solely by results. You can only judge him by the moves that he has made.

Hindsight is 20/20.

I think you need to ask two questions:

1) Did these seem like good moves?
2) Did they produce the desired results?
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SO:

1) When I see Colangelo make a lot of moves, I like the moves. I feel he is making good moves, sometimes you have bad luck or things don't work as planned. I'm not going to hire/fire a GM based on good/bad luck.

2) My personal opinion of Colangelo, is while he might be great at getting the deals that he wants, his overall basketball philosophy is bad. So the organization needs to find a way to correct/balance that. He isn't getting the desired results because the moves are good moves, but they are the wrong moves (if anyone sees what I'm saying here)
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Old 06-04-2010, 10:48 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Rants like this a month + before we know what we're doing with the roster make little sense. Ranting on saying he's left us without a star before Bosh has officially made a decision.

To be honest, i've liked pretty much every move he's made when they occured. Some have panned out others haven't. But i'm not gonna jump on the guy after praising him when the deals went down. That would be stupid and hypocritical.
I agree Jeff. He has pulled off moves when there really weren't any moves to pull off, ie getting Turk here. I'm not sure that anyone anticipated that he would come in out of shape and play the entire season devoid of any heart whatsoever. It's pretty easy to sit back with hindsight and pick apart the moves that went sour.

As for LX...Are you serious?

"The biggest fault I see is not being willing to trade valuable pieces like Jose when he was a hot item"

I'm not sure how anyone could have predicted Jose's injuries and sub par play. If you can see the future, perhaps you should be part of the Raps 'brain trust'.

I'm not saying that every move he's made has been great, however, he's been creative and has made valid attempts at improving the team. The fact of the matter is you can't just pick up the phone and trade away d-leagers for all star shooting guards....and if it were easy to get players who can "play high IQ bbal with good D and make smart plays on the offensive and defensive end" then everyone would have a strong team.
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Old 06-04-2010, 11:06 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Rants like this a month + before we know what we're doing with the roster make little sense. Ranting on saying he's left us without a star before Bosh has officially made a decision.

To be honest, i've liked pretty much every move he's made when they occured. Some have panned out others haven't. But i'm not gonna jump on the guy after praising him when the deals went down. That would be stupid and hypocritical.
Ugh.
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I can't bare to do it, but I must.......

I agree with JeffB
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Old 06-04-2010, 11:49 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Every single one of his moves have sucked except the Weems/Amir move. I don't mind the Jarret Jack move either but it is in no way brilliant.

I've hated him since the Bargs drafting.
Hated him more because of the JO fiasco, (giving up Hibbert, a player that Toronto would have desperately needed)
Even more after getting Marion
Then this Turkoglu bullshit is just too much. Wtf is the idea of bringing a notorious bad defender to a badly defensive team

Oh yea, Triano sucks too.

Btw get it off your chest man, BC is fucken stupd and might as well blow some steam on this site

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Old 06-04-2010, 11:56 AM   #14 (permalink)
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only moves I didn't like were the Marion trade and Hedo signing
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Old 06-04-2010, 12:12 PM   #15 (permalink)
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BC has lost his magic. Put him in the same bus as Joe Dumars. One of the main responsibilities of the GM is about acquiring talent through the draft, trades, and free agent signings.

In Phoenix, he drafted players like Nash, Amare, Marion, Michael Finley, Barbosa. He traded for & signed players like Joe Johnson, Antonio Mcdyess, Raja Bell, Boris Diaw.

In Toronto, he used a #1 pick on Bargnani, used a top ten pick on a player who couldn't even make the first or second team rookie team, signed players like Hedo, JO, Kapono and retained a head coach who lead a team to one of the worst defensive perfomances in NBA history.
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Old 06-04-2010, 12:42 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Yeah, i hated the JO trade. But when i look back at his moves i liked most of them. Garbo, AP, Araujo for Hump, Delfino for 2 2nd rounders, Delfino/Ukic trade to bring in Weems/Amir, Beli, T.J for CV, Hedo and even looking back at Kapono signing i liked it at the time.

The only issue now imo is that he needs to bring in an All-star type guard. And in order to do so he may have to trade Bargnani, but i doubt he's even willing to trade him.
You have to look at the big picture. Four years now and we're barely even a playoff team.
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Old 06-04-2010, 02:32 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Colangelo is garbage and was too obsessed with building around a crappy 2nd/3rd tier player like Bosh instead of trading him and making a tougher team.
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IMO you can't always judge a GM solely by results. You can only judge him by the moves that he has made.

Hindsight is 20/20.

I think you need to ask two questions:

1) Did these seem like good moves?
2) Did they produce the desired results?
I think you can also judge based on the moves he didn't make. I don't want to give the impression he should have foreseen Jose's injury problems. I do think he should have seen that he had not exactly proven himself as a starting pg, particularly in terms of durability, and that it might have been a very good idea to move him and some other pieces in order to improve defensively and/or get that surefire second option that has been so sorely missing.
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I can't believe BC hasn't ripped some team off by now... we should have wone a championship already... all he needed to do was give up garbage for gold... stupid stupid stupid..... any RF poster could obviously have done this by now!

Unreal.
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I can't believe BC hasn't ripped some team off by now... we should have wone a championship already... all he needed to do was give up garbage for gold... stupid stupid stupid..... any RF poster could obviously have done this by now!

Unreal.
Who's complaining about not getting a championship? I'd be happy with that 50 win team he's promised. Hell - I'd be happy with failure as long as I had a sense of what kind of team he was trying to put together. I see more shifting than I see someone steadfastly moving towards a vision. Mostly I see too much emphasis on consensus, and I think that happens without the firm vision of what this team should become, and brings about the lack of moving more valuable pieces at the right time.
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