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Old 12-08-2008, 07:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Just thought I'd share this. BC pretty much says alot of nothing but I'm sure people would like to listen

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Old 12-08-2008, 07:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I think BC is full of shit. Yadda this yaadda that. Best team on paper... seriously...
We should get a REAL gm that can do shit to help this team. Not some brand name GM...
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Old 12-08-2008, 07:49 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I think BC is full of shit. Yadda this yaadda that. Best team on paper... seriously...
We should get a REAL gm that can do shit to help this team. Not some brand name GM...
I dunno every GM is full of shit and besides GG no "competent" GM would prob want to come to Toronto and deal with this "mess" now.
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Old 12-08-2008, 07:51 PM   #4 (permalink)
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BC came in for Babcock, I think that was a bigger mess
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Old 12-08-2008, 09:02 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Jesus guys.

blowing things slightly out of proportion here?

Mess? Real GM? BC full of shit?

Ya - team's in a bit of a slump. It's making many of you delusional and exaggerate the problems.
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Old 12-08-2008, 09:21 PM   #6 (permalink)
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He was explicitly asked what he sees the team becoming under Triano. A pretty straight-forward question. And he yakked on about how much Steve Nash had told him about Triano, and how good he is with players.

Then at one point he says that he likes to be able to hire from within like this, since it means that the whole system doesn't need to be changed, but rather just tweaked a bit.
His biggest problem with Sam seems to be with not getting the players in proper condition, particularly JO. I can see a point there, but it's also a long season, and the team looked to be in pretty good shape all in all.

At least when he said a lot of nothing in the past he was very focused about it. Now he's all over the place. I just don't get why he wouldn't change coaches in the off-season. He could have made it very clear in the hiring process, that conditioning was such a top priority.
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Old 12-08-2008, 09:37 PM   #7 (permalink)
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People have very short memories. Do you B.C. bashers remember 3 years ago? Since B.C. has been here 2 trips to the playoffs and a division title. Not bad for just 2 seasons.
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Old 12-08-2008, 09:40 PM   #8 (permalink)
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He was explicitly asked what he sees the team becoming under Triano. A pretty straight-forward question. And he yakked on about how much Steve Nash had told him about Triano, and how good he is with players.

Then at one point he says that he likes to be able to hire from within like this, since it means that the whole system doesn't need to be changed, but rather just tweaked a bit.
His biggest problem with Sam seems to be with not getting the players in proper condition, particularly JO. I can see a point there, but it's also a long season, and the team looked to be in pretty good shape all in all.

At least when he said a lot of nothing in the past he was very focused about it. Now he's all over the place. I just don't get why he wouldn't change coaches in the off-season. He could have made it very clear in the hiring process, that conditioning was such a top priority.
If you need to tell your head coach that conditioning is a priority, he probably shouldn't be your head coach.
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Old 12-08-2008, 09:42 PM   #9 (permalink)
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he said that he doesn't do anything without consensus...meaning firing sam was on a consensus basis...who do u think is the consensus, management, players....?>>

any thoughts...
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Old 12-08-2008, 09:47 PM   #10 (permalink)
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In response to your post LX, it's also pretty safe to say that whatever is said on these FAN 590 interviews may well be the complete truth, or it may be a more PR friendly way responding to questions. BC's a pretty professional guy - i just can't see him being "overly" critical of Sam. Clearly there was more to it than player conditioning. You don't fire a coach for something like that. I'm sure there's always more to something than what we the fans hear about.

While i think BC has some work to do, i'm still gonna hold out hope that the right things will be done and that we're still headed in the right direction.
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he said that he doesn't do anything without consensus...meaning firing sam was on a consensus basis...who do u think is the consensus, management, players....?>>

any thoughts...
Colangelo, Gerhardini, Embery, scouts, maybe a people or two (just maybe) to name a few i gather.
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Old 12-08-2008, 10:01 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I get what Bryan is trying to do but I respectfully disagree this roster is not the best he has had 1-12. If he says 1-5 I will buy that but this bench is a joke and he knows that.
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Old 12-09-2008, 12:47 AM   #13 (permalink)
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a team is what you make it... the whole argument of on paper is just ridiculous. i respect colangelo and what he has done, and i feel very comfortable with him running the show, but going on and on about how this team is the most talented team he's put together in toronto is just not relevant. since even very talented teams can do bad. the question is, is the talent being used to it's full potential and is there a chemistry between the players? i think that is the main reason sam was fired. the potential and the cohesiveness of the team as a whole wasn't being maximized. The true talent of a team is seen when the parts fit together, and i think thats what colangelo is getting at, just not articulating it properly.
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Old 12-09-2008, 01:12 AM   #14 (permalink)
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PANIC BUTTON!

This is blown way out. i know 2 years ago everyone though he was a god, now he is full of shit and doesent know what he is doing. and ya we went to the playoffs 2 times where michell lost them both in the first round.
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Old 12-09-2008, 09:21 AM   #15 (permalink)
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he said that he doesn't do anything without consensus...meaning firing sam was on a consensus basis...who do u think is the consensus, management, players....?>>

any thoughts...
Also I would imagine, has to do with the fact that he is required to pass big decisions (like coach changes) through the MLSE board as part of his contract.

I'm not sure who people would expect to replace BC if he were fired. It's not like there's a ton of good GMs waiting in the wings. None of them are perfect - never can be. Only one team wins the championship every year.

Would you rather have say, Danny Ainge? The guy had a crappy treadmill Boston team for years and then took a gamble and blew it up with old players. Does that take an especially skillful GM? Do you think this proves he can consistently build a good team? Could he come to Toronto and do the exact same thing again?

We've got a guy who, from birth, was surrounded by basketball and basketball management. He's going to make some mistakes but it's a learning process and at least we have someone who's media-savvy, has a history of being ballsy, and adds a little bit of class to an organization that was sorely, sorely lacking it before. I think if the Raptors were to fire Colangelo, they'd lose what little credibility and respect they've managed to gain as Canada's NBA team.
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Old 12-09-2008, 10:55 AM   #16 (permalink)
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In response to your post LX, it's also pretty safe to say that whatever is said on these FAN 590 interviews may well be the complete truth, or it may be a more PR friendly way responding to questions. BC's a pretty professional guy - i just can't see him being "overly" critical of Sam. Clearly there was more to it than player conditioning. You don't fire a coach for something like that. I'm sure there's always more to something than what we the fans hear about.

While i think BC has some work to do, i'm still gonna hold out hope that the right things will be done and that we're still headed in the right direction.
Oh absolutely there's more than what is being said. But spinning it five different ways makes him look foolish. He should just stick with one thing and stop contradicting himself.

I'm thinking that political shit is going on with a certain player who was mentored by a guy like Isiah. Again - likely just part of the equation.

And guys - BC brought up consensus in reference to a question about his player acquisitions. He was saying that Sam had full input with all the moves. AS for firing a coach - I'd guess the decision was not made by a very large group. Certainly not players, as Bosh had no idea about it. This is the kind of decision he has to own himself.
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Old 12-09-2008, 01:31 PM   #17 (permalink)
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the players seem to be very happy that Sam is gone - everyday I read comments from them saying how much better are practices and all that - and everytime they keep saying " it's not a knock against sam, but ... ". But hey, doesn't matter if the GM and the players wanted a change, if it doesn't make Feschuk and LX happy, it's got to be a bad move. And hey, let's just fire the GM with the best record in the franchise history, he's obviously doing a horrible job.
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the players seem to be very happy that Sam is gone - everyday I read comments from them saying how much better are practices and all that - and everytime they keep saying " it's not a knock against sam, but ... ". But hey, doesn't matter if the GM and the players wanted a change, if it doesn't make Feschuk and LX happy, it's got to be a bad move. And hey, let's just fire the GM with the best record in the franchise history, he's obviously doing a horrible job.

I really dont think he can be fired at this point, i just exagerate to get my point across at times. One thing is, did the players want Triano?? I just dont see how all the blame went on Sam and none to his assistents, and suddenly one of the assistents with the least bigtime coaching experience is the next coach, panic button indeed, but not by fans, by BC.
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I don't think a coaching change was necessarily a bad move. The timing is simply stupid. Once a season starts you either stand by your guy, or you decide to let the players/fans/both run the team. I agree with JVG that the good teams stick with their coaches through rough times, and that saying the coach maybe isn't your guy is no excuse once the season starts.

And for BC to just say that it's great to be able to hire from within so that the system can just get tweaked, just makes me feel like he wishes not to commit to a coach he can truly call his guy, or a vision of the team that he is supposed to be shaping.

Bobcat asked the dude what he wanted to see the team become, and he simply brushed off the question. This is what is so wrong. If the guy can give me any idea of what he wants this team to be, if he can say somewthing more than "I never came here with the idea of duplicating the Suns" then I'd be fairly content for the moment.

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