bargs out, but for what price ?

Dutches · 05-07-2011, 01:40 PM

i don't think that the other team would do any of those deals.

raptorchick · 05-07-2011, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutches

i don't think that the other team would do any of those deals.

Seriously. Why doesn't the pollster ask fans of the other teams if they'd do these trades? He'd be laughed at by all of them. Who would give up anything good for a 1-dimensional zero-defense guy who has 5 years left on his contract? Chris Paul and John Wall rebound as well as he does. A 1st-round draft pick? UT trading Jefferson for Bargnani? Jesus how fucking stupid do you think UT is. Why do people do this?

At least have the decency to ask the fans of the other team what they think before coming up with these moronic 1-sided proposals.

Don Vito · 05-07-2011, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by raptorchick

Seriously. Why doesn't the pollster ask fans of the other teams if they'd do these trades? He'd be laughed at by all of them. Who would give up anything good for a 1-dimensional zero-defense guy who has 5 years left on his contract? Chris Paul and John Wall rebound as well as he does. A 1st-round draft pick? UT trading Jefferson for Bargnani? Jesus how fucking stupid do you think UT is. Why do people do this?

At least have the decency to ask the fans of the other team what they think before coming up with these moronic 1-sided proposals.

Alot of teams would try to work Bargnani into their system. If Bargnani has no value then why would BC say he gets trade proposals for him all the time? You need to realize its rare for a big guy to have his skill set, which is why alot of teams would want him. Why are you claiming to have knowledge on anything related to basketball? Weren't you the person who wanted Amir to play small forward? smdh

jeffb · 05-07-2011, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito

You need to realize its rare for a big guy to have his skill set

A soft, inconsistent, alergic to rebounding, bad defensive, non-shot blocking 7footer? Yeah, not a lot of those around, i agree.

Don Vito · 05-07-2011, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb

A soft, inconsistent, alergic to rebounding, bad defensive, non-shot blocking 7footer? Yeah, not a lot of those around, i agree.

Oh look, someone who sees the glass half-empty. Bargnani isn't a center and never was a center. If he gets traded it won't be to fill the role of a center. I don't think we've ever played Bargnani at the power forward position.. we played him at small forward and center... but never power forward. Who are you to judge what he can do in that position? No one can because no one witnessed it.

jeffb · 05-07-2011, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito

Oh look, someone who sees the glass half-empty. Bargnani isn't a center and never was a center. If he gets traded it won't be to fill the role of a center. I don't think we've ever played Bargnani at the power forward position.. we played him at small forward and center... but never power forward. Who are you to judge what he can do in that position? No one can because no one witnessed it.

I saw the glass half full with this clown for 4 years. Sorry but other then offense, which is inconsitent at times he's nothing more then a hindrance to this team. And for a shooter his percentages this season were average at best. Who am i to judge.....a fan of this team which allows me to have an opinion wether you agree with it or not. Oh and in case you didn't realize he played the PF spot most of the season for all intense and purposes. And playing the 4 or the 5 basically means fuck all, he camps out at the 3pt line either way.

Don Vito · 05-07-2011, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb

I saw the glass half full with this clown for 4 years. Sorry but other then offense, which is inconsitent at times he's nothing more then a hindrance to this team. And for a shooter his percentages this season were average at best. Who am i to judge.....a fan of this team which allows me to have an opinion wether you agree with it or not. Oh and in case you didn't realize he played the PF spot most of the season for all intense and purposes. And playing the 4 or the 5 basically means fuck all, he camps out at the 3pt line either way.

Have we ever seen Bargnani play beside a defensive center? At most we've seen him play beside a defensive power forward Reggie Evans, and this team was not that bad until injuries kicked in.

TORaptor4Ever · 05-07-2011, 04:10 PM

The only scenarios I could see possibly happening are #1 and #3 (maybe).

#1 would be pretty nice. I do like Asik and Korver can flat out shoot the ball.

Bankiz · 05-07-2011, 06:42 PM

perso, i don't think of Bargs as a one dimensional player.
he just need a solid team with defensiv skill, a coach who can kick his ass.

i don't put a trade about orlando because if would put it, it would be Bargs for redick.

and Bargs wat pf and d12 at Center, that can be a great frontcourt.

but i don't see how orlando would give up on redick. i can be wrong, but for me at this stage of Bargs career, i think SVG and D12 can be what barg miss in his career. a solid center (the best) and a coach who will motivate him and boost his focus.

i don't hae barg, but he his like a prince in toronto, in fact only in our system. and that is a problem.

but i really think some team would take him in a heartbeat for the right price. he has some good sklill, just the lack of focus who can be erase by a coach who would know how take care of him.

pair with ibaka or d12 or bynum or mcgee or noah or chandler, he would seem pretty good at a scoring machine.
he can score outside, and inside. and with a team effort on defense and the right system he can improve.

just for the example :
they don't use Dirk as a center.
Jackson trie with gasol, and end up happy bynum come back in shape, because gasol either isn't a center.

so maybe that is the problem.

but i really think many teams would want him :
1. orlando - ovious reason.
2. wash : pair with mcgee he can be great, and better than lewis or blatch did this year.
3. chicago : as leader of the second unit with gibson they will blow the opponent second unit.

in fact if he doesn't start in some team i will become the 6th man of the year coming of the bench.
i don't overrate him, but i truly think he can do better, but i'm tired to wait that from him in a Raptors uniform.

and if you look at the numbers ($) i can't see BC sell him with lose, so the trades i put can fit the need and make some team happy.
and i dare some who say it's not realistic, beause the perkins/grean, or the hedo/leandro was not realistic some weeks or month before, weren't they ?

DocHoliday99 · 05-07-2011, 07:21 PM

Bargs for fields straight up? Not sure but I like Fields' play though so does Dantoni and Walsh - what a great pick at 39. I like DD as SG however Landry at 6'7" with DD as SF would be great. What happens though if the Raps end up drafting Williams? Would you still do a Bargs/fields trade?

DocHoliday99 · 05-07-2011, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito

Have we ever seen Bargnani play beside a defensive center? At most we've seen him play beside a defensive power forward Reggie Evans, and this team was not that bad until injuries kicked in.

I agree. There are a lot of comments with Bargs being potentially better with a defensive center. Well, he's done well with a defensive PF, why haven't the Raps at least given that a try?

TORaptor4Ever · 05-07-2011, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DocHoliday99

Bargs for fields straight up? Not sure but I like Fields' play though so does Dantoni and Walsh - what a great pick at 39. I like DD as SG however Landry at 6'7" with DD as SF would be great. What happens though if the Raps end up drafting Williams? Would you still do a Bargs/fields trade?

I would be SHOCKED if NY let Fields go.... absolutely SHOCKED.

Don Vito · 05-07-2011, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever

I would be SHOCKED if NY let Fields go.... absolutely SHOCKED.

He averages 1 point in the playoffs... LOL... its safe to say he is 100% tradeable.

Dark Knight · 05-07-2011, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DocHoliday99

Bargs for fields straight up? Not sure but I like Fields' play though so does Dantoni and Walsh - what a great pick at 39. I like DD as SG however Landry at 6'7" with DD as SF would be great. What happens though if the Raps end up drafting Williams? Would you still do a Bargs/fields trade?

Salaries don't match up, so it couldn't be a straight up deal.

I can see Fields being a really good 6th man on a championship team someday. Think a right handed Manu Ginobli. That said, he isn't really what we need at the moment, since our 2 guard position is good to go.

jeffb · 05-07-2011, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Knight

Salaries don't match up, so it couldn't be a straight up deal.

I can see Fields being a really good 6th man on a championship team someday. Think a right handed Manu Ginobli. That said, he isn't really what we need at the moment, since our 2 guard position is good to go.

Really? Other then Derozan who do we have? Barbosa is likely not a long term solution there and probably will be gone by the trade deadline next season..

Don Vito · 05-07-2011, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb

Really? Other then Derozan who do we have? Barbosa is likely not a long term solution there and probably will be gone by the trade deadline next season..

Weems of course.

Dark Knight · 05-07-2011, 09:00 PM

I just don't think it would be a good idea to trade our most talented player for Fields, who would most likely come of the bench on our team.

TORaptor4Ever · 05-07-2011, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito

He averages 1 point in the playoffs... LOL... its safe to say he is 100% tradeable.

Yeah... because we all know that ROOKIES should be judged simply by how many points they score in the playoffs....

DocHoliday99 · 05-07-2011, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever

I would be SHOCKED if NY let Fields go.... absolutely SHOCKED.

I was replying to an earlier post. I would be shocked but not because of Fields but because IMO Bargs is worth more than fields alone

Don Vito · 05-07-2011, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever

Yeah... because we all know that ROOKIES should be judged simply by how many points they score in the playoffs....

Doesn't matter, one point is pathetic if you're an NBA player.

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TORaptor4Ever "Fake All-Star" Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 16,433 Representing:	The only scenarios I could see possibly happening are #1 and #3 (maybe). #1 would be pretty nice. I do like Asik and Korver can flat out shoot the ball.

05-07-2011, 06:42 PM	#29 (permalink)
Bankiz making funny and strange dark trade in his mind !!! Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,580 Representing:	perso, i don't think of Bargs as a one dimensional player. he just need a solid team with defensiv skill, a coach who can kick his ass. i don't put a trade about orlando because if would put it, it would be Bargs for redick. and Bargs wat pf and d12 at Center, that can be a great frontcourt. but i don't see how orlando would give up on redick. i can be wrong, but for me at this stage of Bargs career, i think SVG and D12 can be what barg miss in his career. a solid center (the best) and a coach who will motivate him and boost his focus. i don't hae barg, but he his like a prince in toronto, in fact only in our system. and that is a problem. but i really think some team would take him in a heartbeat for the right price. he has some good sklill, just the lack of focus who can be erase by a coach who would know how take care of him. pair with ibaka or d12 or bynum or mcgee or noah or chandler, he would seem pretty good at a scoring machine. he can score outside, and inside. and with a team effort on defense and the right system he can improve. just for the example : they don't use Dirk as a center. Jackson trie with gasol, and end up happy bynum come back in shape, because gasol either isn't a center. so maybe that is the problem. but i really think many teams would want him : 1. orlando - ovious reason. 2. wash : pair with mcgee he can be great, and better than lewis or blatch did this year. 3. chicago : as leader of the second unit with gibson they will blow the opponent second unit. in fact if he doesn't start in some team i will become the 6th man of the year coming of the bench. i don't overrate him, but i truly think he can do better, but i'm tired to wait that from him in a Raptors uniform. and if you look at the numbers ($) i can't see BC sell him with lose, so the trades i put can fit the need and make some team happy. and i dare some who say it's not realistic, beause the perkins/grean, or the hedo/leandro was not realistic some weeks or month before, weren't they ?

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DocHoliday99 hates pounding the rock! Membres supérieurs Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Southern Alberta Posts: 5,728 Representing:	Bargs for fields straight up? Not sure but I like Fields' play though so does Dantoni and Walsh - what a great pick at 39. I like DD as SG however Landry at 6'7" with DD as SF would be great. What happens though if the Raps end up drafting Williams? Would you still do a Bargs/fields trade?

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Dark Knight Captain of the Jamario Moon fan club. Born Unready Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Electric Avenue Posts: 15,552 Representing:	I just don't think it would be a good idea to trade our most talented player for Fields, who would most likely come of the bench on our team.