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SteveTT 12-29-2012 03:06 PM

Bargs FIRST TEAM nomination
 
At least Bargs has already won something this season...

Deron Williams, Andrea Bargnani among NBA's most disappointing players | The Point Forward - SI.com

FLO 12-29-2012 03:26 PM

Deron Williams has to be one of the most overrated, pussy players in league history. He has literally sulked and bitched his way to the firing of two coaches, one an NBA legend, and he still has a reputation as being some kind of star. I hope one day some team has the balls to bench him for conduct detrimental and let him rot. Pathetic waste of talent player.

SteveTT 12-29-2012 03:34 PM

Since even Gallinari seems to be a dissappointment i suggest swapping italians ^^:

NBA Trade Machine - ESPN

Dario 12-29-2012 03:37 PM

he`s been a dissapointment for a while.

carp 12-29-2012 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by FLO (Post 728807)
Deron Williams has to be one of the most overrated, pussy players in league history. He has literally sulked and bitched his way to the firing of two coaches, one an NBA legend, and he still has a reputation as being some kind of star. I hope one day some team has the balls to bench him for conduct detrimental and let him rot. Pathetic waste of talent player.

I used to think he was so good in Utah and he was, but he's just let it all go to his head. It's a real shame.

creative1mm 12-29-2012 04:42 PM

Calderon may not be explosive or have the physically strength like a Deron, but he certainly is wiser with the ball, makes his team better and takes good shots, I agree Williams is overated.. heck if Raptors continue to win, and if Lowry continues to play controlled basketball I would even say hes better the Williams

just4_raps 12-29-2012 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveTT (Post 728810)
Since even Gallinari seems to be a dissappointment i suggest swapping italians ^^:

NBA Trade Machine - ESPN

YES PLEASE

Edit: Nevermind. I just took a look at his contract 10-12 mill a year through 2015. For Gallo? No thanks.

carp 12-29-2012 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by creative1mm (Post 728827)
Calderon may not be explosive or have the physically strength like a Deron, but he certainly is wiser with the ball, makes his team better and takes good shots, I agree Williams is overated.. heck if Raptors continue to win, and if Lowry continues to play controlled basketball I would even say hes better the Williams

Williams was amazing in Utah.... lowry nor Jose could ever be that good... Deron's just become unfocused and lost his way a bit. He needs to dedicate himself again.... he can be a top 3 PG still.

carp 12-29-2012 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ahhhnth (Post 728835)
YES PLEASE

Edit: Nevermind. I just took a look at his contract 10-12 mill a year through 2015. For Gallo? No thanks.

Wow.... I never thought I'd hear you turn down Gallo for Bargnani!

jeffb 12-29-2012 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by carp (Post 728843)
Wow.... I never thought I'd hear you turn down Gallo for Bargnani!

Same money as Bargnani and imo he's more worth it than Bargnani is.

carp 12-29-2012 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 728849)
Same money as Bargnani and imo he's more worth it than Bargnani is.

it's actually not the same money, it's an extra year. Didn't you even read his post?

;)

Also, Danilo has struggled too this year. I'd do the deal just based on getting a SF upgrade but I think we'd need to jettison one of our many mediocre wings just so there isn't so many of them.

jeffb 12-29-2012 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by carp (Post 728860)
it's actually not the same money, it's an extra year. Didn't you even read his post?

;)

Also, Danilo has struggled too this year. I'd do the deal just based on getting a SF upgrade but I think we'd need to jettison one of our many mediocre wings just so there isn't so many of them.

I wasn't talking about term. They roughly make the same money anually. Either way for a commitment of 10-12mil/yr I'll take Galo over Bargnani all day long.

carp 12-29-2012 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 728861)
I wasn't talking about term. They roughly make the same money anually. Either way for a commitment of 10-12mil/yr I'll take Galo over Bargnani all day long.

Anyone with half a brain could figure out you'd say that.

Admiral 12-30-2012 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by FLO (Post 728807)
Deron Williams has to be one of the most overrated, pussy players in league history. He has literally sulked and bitched his way to the firing of two coaches, one an NBA legend, and he still has a reputation as being some kind of star. I hope one day some team has the balls to bench him for conduct detrimental and let him rot. Pathetic waste of talent player.

he's an ultra talented PG but seems to have the opposite game plan as CP3, its not get his team going and then get himself going, its get my shots in and then let my teammates figure it out as the game goes on
it really seems like he needed that structured Utah system to keep his head in the game
might also be the fact that he was arguably the best PG in the game a 1 point finally "beating out" CP3 because he was injured and then CP3 comes back and basically just instantly takes that title away, guy must be jealous that he's always going to be 2nd best and both those guys coming into the nba at the same time means CP3 will always be in the nba as long as he's in the nba

KoolAid 12-30-2012 10:38 AM

Bargs should be in the disappointment HOF

raptor123 12-30-2012 10:40 AM

IMO its all about a mind set for Bargs. Lets see how he does when he comes back. Bargs is a special player with a special talent. Let him be himself, work him into the line up and IMHO he will open up some eyes.

IGetAir 12-30-2012 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by raptor123 (Post 729111)
IMO its all about a mind set for Bargs. Lets see how he does when he comes back. Bargs is a special player with a special talent. Let him be himself, work him into the line up and IMHO he will open up some eyes.

Same old song every time with Bargnani. It's over, the majority of Raptors fans are tired of hearing that bargs is special and if we "let him be himself" he'll be better. He's had the chance and hasn't delivered. End of story.

Admiral 12-30-2012 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by raptor123 (Post 729111)
IMO its all about a mind set for Bargs. Lets see how he does when he comes back. Bargs is a special player with a special talent. Let him be himself, work him into the line up and IMHO he will open up some eyes.

i'm not disagreeing but mind set is part of the make-up of a player, its not just the physical skills, if you're saying he has a fragile mind and its not about the skills he possesses physically than its still something that is putting him into this disappointment HOF

RaptorsVictim 12-30-2012 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by raptor123 (Post 729111)
IMO its all about a mind set for Bargs. Lets see how he does when he comes back. Bargs is a special player with a special talent. Let him be himself, work him into the line up and IMHO he will open up some eyes.

Raptors can not afford that any more.

Metallikid 12-30-2012 08:28 PM

Earlier this year my strategy to deal with Bargnani was that if we're in a losing position (which we will be in a lot of games) to keep playing him until he grabs X rebounds or plays good D for X straight possessions. With Casey screaming at his ass the whole way. That's about the only thing that might work at this point. Also, someone get him into a fucking weight room, he needs to add 20 lbs of muscle.


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