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Old 03-10-2009, 04:15 AM   #61 (permalink)
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I think OP is the one who sucks.

Bargnani is the next Nowitzki in this league and he has the potential to be better than him. I actually hesitated to type my message because replying to such posts is sort of taking them seriously.
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Old 03-10-2009, 08:43 AM   #62 (permalink)
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I love every Raptor except for Barginani (better?). CB4 and I are friends on facebook, I bet Andrea doesn't even have facebook. I just don't like it when people say he is better.

Also I went to the game on Sunday, and yelled at Bosh, to score at least 30...and guess what....he did....so there.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL, this kid's an idiot.
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I think OP is the one who sucks.

Bargnani is the next Nowitzki in this league and he has the potential to be better than him. I actually hesitated to type my message because replying to such posts is sort of taking them seriously.
As much as I ride Bargnani's balls on a daily basis, he's not going to be as good as Dirk. Even at this point, I don't think people realize how good Dirk really is - unless you've watched Dallas games on a consistent basis and have seen the kind of magic that cat can come up with in the post, you can't respect his talent. Throw in the white towel, give up, not happening.
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Old 03-10-2009, 11:58 AM   #64 (permalink)
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I think OP is the one who sucks.
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Old 03-10-2009, 01:53 PM   #66 (permalink)
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Old 03-10-2009, 02:38 PM   #67 (permalink)
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LOLOLOLOLOLOL, this kid's an idiot.
Raptosbestfan or Bargnani? Or as he puts it Barginani? lol
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Old 03-10-2009, 03:02 PM   #68 (permalink)
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He's our 3rd best defender behind Marion & AP. And he may surpass AP as he continues to slow somewhat. He blocks shots and alters alot as well. He's not a great defender, but he's vastly improved.
makes sense, thats prob why teams seem to score WAY more with ab on the floor and his +/- is disgraceful
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makes sense, thats prob why teams seem to score WAY more with ab on the floor and his +/- is disgraceful
Yeah, that has nothing to do with the shitty ass defence around him at all. Either way, he's our 3rd best defender.
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Old 03-10-2009, 03:07 PM   #70 (permalink)
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Raptosbestfan or Bargnani? Or as he puts it Barginani? lol
Dude... it's Bargnini... not Barginani... learn Italian and get with the program, damn it.
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Old 03-10-2009, 03:09 PM   #71 (permalink)
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dont ppl say europe is better then college in terms of talent?? Well why do we always give euro players longer to adjust to the nba then college players?? ppl act as if AB is 8 years younger then Bosh so he has so much room to grow, but he isnt that much younger at all. forget dirk, lucky to get near as good as bosh, and Bosh will improve once he has better parts around him, like a real 2nd option that doesnt just jack up jumpers all game.
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It terms of talent and potential lottery picks US college is better but Euro league is a pro league that has grown men playing for money not kids playing for potential NBA future or, even worst, fun.
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Old 03-10-2009, 03:46 PM   #73 (permalink)
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so why when every euro comes over ppl say "he needs more time to adjust to the nba game" then college players do?? I just dont get it, AB was playing pro over in europe?? Why does he need so much time to get better in the nba?? Nobody says "bosh needs more time" etc
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Old 03-10-2009, 05:38 PM   #74 (permalink)
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so why when every euro comes over ppl say "he needs more time to adjust to the nba game" then college players do?? I just dont get it, AB was playing pro over in europe?? Why does he need so much time to get better in the nba?? Nobody says "bosh needs more time" etc
dirk said why, its cause in europe u play more team ball and focus on it, in the states its more individual stars. And on euro temas ur not alwayss the best player or most experienced. I dont know how that needs so much more time its what dirk said. What i dont understand is brags only just started to develope, he exploed in to a great player in such a short time. Why cant he become a lot better then he is now. How can people say Bargs doesnt even compare to dirk that pisses me off.
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not to mention language and culture.
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Old 03-10-2009, 06:24 PM   #76 (permalink)
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"RAPTORSBESTFAN", I seriously hope that your first post is a mindless rant and not what you honestly believe, because if you believe that the only reason a player gets better stats is because another player "lets him", then you are deranged, and don't understand basketball at all.
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Now, here I will define a cogent argument AGAINST Bargnani's improvement:


ARGUMENT 1:

Here are Andrea Bargnani's per-game stats from the beginning of January, 2009 until today (March 9, 2009). This sample comprises 32 games, exactly half of Andrea Bargnani's season:

(January 1 until March 9) Andrea Bargnani per-game statistics
36.4 minutes, 19.3 points, 6.5 rebounds, 1.0 blocks, 46.15% FG, 43.28% 3pt, 82.00% FT.



Here are Andrea Bargnani's stats for October (excluding pre-season), November, and December, also exactly 32 games:

(October until December 31) Andrea Bargnani per-game statistics
23.3 minutes, 10.3 points, 4.3 rebounds, 1.4 blocks, 40.62% FG, 36.08% 3pt, 87.14% FT.



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Here are Andrea's January 1-March 9 stats, converted to Per-40 minutes to show his effectiveness in equal minutes:

(January 1 until March 9, per-40 minutes game stats)
21.2 points, 7.1 reb, 1.1 blocks, 46.15% FG, 43.28% 3pt, 82.00% FT


Here are Andrea's October - December 31 stats Per-40 minutes:

(October until December 31, per-40 minute game stats)
17.7 points, 7.4 rebs, 2.36 blocks, 40.62% FG, 36.08% 3pt, 87.14% FT



Now, despite a healthy increase in points, rebounds, field goal and 3 point shooting percentages, in my personal opinion, he has not improved much from the first half of the year until the second half of the year, and that the majority of the increase is due to being given about 50% more minutes per game. Comparing the per-40 minute statistics proves this. Furthermore, I believe that the field goal % increases are somewhat negated by the reduction in blocks.

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ARGUMENT 2:

Andrea Bargnani is the WORST raptor by far in total +/- stat. He is a -217 on the season, meaning in all of the floor time he has played combined this year, the Raptors have been outscored by 217 points. This is a significant number.

Source: 82-games.com:

Toronto Raptors NBA stats and data from 82games.com
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Old 03-10-2009, 08:22 PM   #77 (permalink)
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so why when every euro comes over ppl say "he needs more time to adjust to the nba game" then college players do?? I just dont get it, AB was playing pro over in europe?? Why does he need so much time to get better in the nba?? Nobody says "bosh needs more time" etc
bosh didn't exactly tear the league in his first two years either ... And different peope adapt at different speed. For europeans the cultural shock can't be discounted either, some of them can't even understand their coach.
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Old 03-10-2009, 08:37 PM   #78 (permalink)
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isn't Bargnani like best top scoring centers at the moment?

Honestly guys, don't worry about rapsbestfan's opinion.
its better than the Laker fan bullshit out there.

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Old 03-10-2009, 08:45 PM   #79 (permalink)
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I agree, I dissected my points in my follow-up post.
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Old 03-10-2009, 09:37 PM   #80 (permalink)
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barney can't even speak english, that's gotta hurt oncourt communications. you can only point in so many directions.

why would toronto want a 7 footer that shoots from distance all the time? leave that to all the other pop shot orientated players on the raps.
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