Bargnani's pumpfakes
Old 12-14-2009, 10:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I remembered how embarrassing Barg's pumpfakes were during his first year and second year in the NBA. At that time, he seemed so robotic and a pumpfake looked like a ball shove to the sky. But now, damn is he good at airing those defenders. At first I thought it was just bad defenders flying towards him, and it was, for the most part. But we've consistently seen him get his defender in the air no matter who's on him. I was shocked to see how he pwned Scola and even Battier on some plays with his pump. Is it because he's good at it, or are defenders willing to take the chance to block a seven footer?
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Old 12-14-2009, 10:21 PM   #2 (permalink)
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the pump fakes still look horrible lol
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Old 12-14-2009, 10:29 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Some do. But he has gotten better. He shouldn't so it everytime he gets the ball though. He usually pump fakes takes one step and misses.
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Old 12-14-2009, 10:36 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Bargs putting the ball on the floor is terrible. Everything is pre-meditated and thats why he travels so often. HE doesnt care what the defenders give him, he will still do that awful pump fake/travel.
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Old 12-14-2009, 10:42 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I don't think any of us can verify the validity of his pump fakes -unless someone here has played against him?..They seem effective though..I think he'd be virtually unstoppable on the elbow/high post area because of his pump fakes and the fact it only takes one dribble or so to get to the rim. This opposes the pump fake behind the arch ideal where he takes one dribble and is still 20 feet from the rim..He still kinda rushes those opportunities though, but his Sunday performance was promising.
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Old 12-14-2009, 10:46 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I dont know if its the pump fakes and the way he shoots or because hes a 7 footer driving in..but they still look retarded... but no complaints here aslong as they go in...

on another note... Isnt everyone tried of LEO RAUTINS saying "Thats a 7 footer putting the ball on the floor...."
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Bargs putting the ball on the floor is terrible. Everything is pre-meditated and thats why he travels so often. HE doesnt care what the defenders give him, he will still do that awful pump fake/travel.
He hasn't traveled often this year..a few occasions but not at a Kapono rate or anything..Once he situates himself closer to the basket more consistantly, it will only take him a dribble or two to get to the rim and in turn, eliminating those awkward endevours of his..
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Old 12-15-2009, 12:11 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I was shocked to see how he pwned Scola and even Battier on some plays with his pump.
I Wasn't.
They're both shit.
Especially Louise Scola. Flops more than Davis on Boston, and thats a hell of a lot of flopping.
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Old 12-15-2009, 02:42 AM   #9 (permalink)
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are u guys blind. that pump fake step in jumper is money.
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Old 12-15-2009, 03:05 AM   #10 (permalink)
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i agree with babyface, he still looks horrible doing it and missed the shot 60% of the time. if only he had more court vision he could pump fake, drive the centre towards him then pass the ball backdoor to a cutter like DD. but i doubt he has enough bball iq to pull that off.
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Old 12-15-2009, 03:43 AM   #11 (permalink)
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From defender perspective, if you're not jumping up you could as well not defend him at all. Because Andrea has several inches over most his defenders, its like an uncontested shot for him.
His shot is respected, but its his drives that can win the game for us in 1st quarter.
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if only he had more court vision he could pump fake, drive the centre towards him then pass the ball backdoor to a cutter like DD. but i doubt he has enough bball iq to pull that off.
Occasionally he does attempt PG-style passes, but receiver can't anticipate them. Many plays has Bosh fumbled the ball suddenly appearing in his hand while waiting to rebound
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Old 12-15-2009, 06:41 AM   #12 (permalink)
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are u guys blind. that pump fake step in jumper is money.
+1.

Not blind. just dense.
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Old 12-15-2009, 07:08 AM   #13 (permalink)
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It works well when he has a clear idea of what he wants to do within the flow of the game, and not so well when he's trying to figure out what he wants to do as he goes along. Sometimes the pump is just an attempt to buy time, before he settles for a half-hearted shot that leads to a fast break the other way.
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Old 12-15-2009, 08:44 AM   #14 (permalink)
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if he can only master the technique of fade-aways like The Dirk can..
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Old 12-15-2009, 09:48 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Anyone questioning the beauty and soundness of a tried and true upfake to get a guy off his feet is in need of a little Basketball 101.

Bargs may look odd doing because you are used to replay after replay of 6'6" guards doing it. it looks a little different when you have 7 feet of daddy long legs doing it.

it doesn't however change the validity of the move.

Dutches. Battier and Scola are shit defenders?????

Battier is consider one of the top three defensive player in the league, he's rarely tricked off his feet. They jump because more often than not, if you don't contest Bargnani inside the arch, he hits it, it's that simple. Once he gets more comfortable moving toward the rim after that fake, he's going to be quite unstoppable.

You can rip Bargnani on the defensive end, and call him a little green still on offence, but terain ginto his moves is ridiculous. They are text book, and they work.
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Old 12-15-2009, 10:25 AM   #16 (permalink)
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are u guys blind. that pump fake step in jumper is money.
+1

He might look silly when he does it but he get A LOT of defenders to bite on it. His only problem is that after they do, instead of driving in much deeper he just takes one step inside and shoots a long two.

I frankly don't understand why so many guys bite on his fake. They aren't going to block his shot in any case, and if they've watched any tape at all they'd know that fake is his go to move when he catches the ball along the perimeter. Its like every person guarding Bargs gets Jamario Moon Syndrome. Regardless, props to Bargs.
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Old 12-15-2009, 10:30 AM   #17 (permalink)
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I agree pump fakes rule if used properly. Bargs has gotten a little better at it through the years although he has to realize if the fake don't work at all just pass it around the "horn" and let the unit see another look.

If you look at the Chief back in the celtic days he just lived off the pump fake and was great at passing out of the hole if he had nothing. Pump fake works if you use the tool properly
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Old 12-15-2009, 11:09 AM   #18 (permalink)
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LOVE the Chief reference.
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LOVE the Chief reference.
Thats cause you remember the 80s. You know fundamentals, tough play and no pussies allowed.
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Old 12-15-2009, 11:26 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Bargs pump fakes have always been awesome, you guys are insane. So awesome in fact that refs for a long time, assumed he was travelling when he wasn't. Ask another teams centre how good they are when they try to run out at him. There are alot of things he can be criticized for, his pumpfakes are not one of them.
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