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Old 01-22-2011, 08:19 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Bargs is not a center...the worst?...but come on guys...
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Old 01-22-2011, 08:54 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Low percentage scorer, no blocks no rebounds. He can't even contribute effectively on offense.
This is one of the lamest comments i have heard on this forum thus far. Defense is a team effort. You cannot put lack of defense on one person.
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.8 blocks per game and 5 rebounds per game for a fucking centre that plays almost 40 minutes per game? Top 8 centre? He is without a doubt the worst defensive centre in the nba. And that automatically qualifies him as a candidate for worst centre in the league. And 21 ppg on 45% shooting for a centre is frieaking disgusting.
The reason his shot percentage is a little lower than most centres is because he isnt under the basket on every play like most centres. He takes shots from the 3 pt, as well as allot of mid range shots.

Good luck getting Shaq or Howard to do that. The would fail miserably.
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Old 01-22-2011, 09:09 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Bargs is clearly playing hurt ... he has lost his quick step. The rest of the team is banged up and tired as well. He's still our best player on a bad team.
He isn't the worst centre in the league ... come on.
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Old 01-22-2011, 09:42 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Piss off, we gotta put frickin' 6-7 210lb Dante Cunningham in as our starting center!!
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Old 01-22-2011, 09:57 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Low percentage scorer, no blocks no rebounds. He can't even contribute effectively on offense.
I thought this was going to be some big article about how the sports folks have looked at stats and Bargs is the worst.... but it's just your opinion?

Well... I have one, too. Bargs is part robot.
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Old 01-22-2011, 10:03 AM   #27 (permalink)
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i still think they should get all the scrubs on our team to hold
Bargs down while the training staff injects him with hormones while the team Doctors reimplants his balls!
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Old 01-22-2011, 10:04 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Jay Triano said hes playing hurt... Both his knees are sore and bugging him thats why his shot is off and he's not jumping or driving
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i miss Reggie..but i get the feeling AB misses him more
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Old 01-22-2011, 10:09 AM   #30 (permalink)
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I thought this was going to be some big article about how the sports folks have looked at stats and Bargs is the worst.... but it's just your opinion?

Well... I have one, too. Bargs is part robot.
Well how many starting centres play almost 40 mins a game and get less than 6 rebounds and 1 block per game? Defensive stats should be weighed the same as offensive stats. Being the worst defensive centre in the league should definitely qualify you as being one of the worst starting centres in the league.
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Well how many starting centres play almost 40 mins a game and get less than 6 rebounds and 1 block per game? Defensive stats should be weighed the same as offensive stats. Being the worst defensive centre in the league should definitely qualify you as being one of the worst starting centres in the league.
I just wanted to tell you that he's a robot, that's all.
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Old 01-22-2011, 10:15 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Jay Triano said hes playing hurt... Both his knees are sore and bugging him thats why his shot is off and he's not jumping or driving
Why is he hurting the team so much then? Why is he being so selfish?
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Old 01-22-2011, 10:27 AM   #33 (permalink)
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I agree with some of the sentiment but disagree with the evidence you use because the evidence against Bargnani is not the type that is easily summarized in numbers.

0.8 blocks per game and 5 rebounds per game is not a big deal. The rebounds could be because Bargnani is more focused on blocking out and, therefore, the overall team success would not be negatively impacted. Similarly, if Bargnani has low blocks per game because he defends his man with more fundamentals (ie. a focus on positioning, forcing a tough shot, then blocking out, as opposed to hopping up and down for blocks), there is not necessarily anything wrong with it.

However, when you watch the games, you see the problems with Bargnani all game long. He doesn't reach for balls right in front of him. He can't provide a modicum of defense outside of a 1-on-1 situation. These are things you can see over and over but no stat truly encompasses it.



Lastly, about TS%. In previous years, Bargnani's TS% was very respectable for a big man, around 55%. He's dropped this year to around 53-54%. If we think that the numbers really do indicate some level of offensive efficiency, then Kendrick Perkins is a more efficient big man. People can make all sorts of excuses about his FG%, but the fact of the matter is that his FG% and his TS% should be much higher; he should be making much better use of his size. Instead, he gets lazy and chucks from outside.



I still see a future for Bargnani but I have no idea in precisely what capacity. I have opined that he is the worst defensive starting center in the league, which is a rather unfortunate problem to have on your team, but I don't agree that he is the worst starting center when you take all factors into consideration.
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BARGNANI IS NOT A CENTER.

Why cant you haters get that. His role on this team is not to rebound. Especially Offensive rebounding.
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Old 01-22-2011, 11:23 AM   #35 (permalink)
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When his shots aren't falling (like the past few games) it certainly is pointless having him on the floor.
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BARGNANI IS NOT A CENTER.

Why cant you haters get that. His role on this team is not to rebound. Especially Offensive rebounding.
No shit, but he curtrently plays the Center position. Which currently makes him a CENTER. He's a PF, btw a PF that can't rebound.
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i still think they should get all the scrubs on our team to hold
Bargs down while the training staff injects him with hormones while the team Doctors reimplants his balls!
i lol'd hard at this
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Old 01-22-2011, 11:31 AM   #38 (permalink)
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if he was a PF it would be just as bad

he'd get blown by the majority of PF's, and a lot of PF's are better offensively than centers

guards and forwards would still drive at him, and blow by him just the same, just to see his little 6 inch vertical and pathetic attempt at a swat after the ball is already on its way in
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No shit, but he curtrently plays the Center position. Which currently makes him a CENTER. He's a PF, btw a PF that can't rebound.
Bargs doesn't play center for the Raptors.

He doesn't guard centers and he's not guarded by centers.

He's not a center, he doesn't play center.

The only thing that makes him a center is he's listed with a C next to his name. This happens because if the Raptors were to put a C next to the name of a 6'9" 210lb PF it would be too obvious that they're intentionally tanking.
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Bargs doesn't play center for the Raptors.

He doesn't guard centers and he's not guarded by centers.

He's not a center, he doesn't play center.

The only thing that makes him a center is he's listed with a C next to his name. This happens because if the Raptors were to put a C next to the name of a 6'9" 210lb PF it would be too obvious that they're intentionally tanking.
Then he should be a SF because he sucks as a PF. lol
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