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Old 10-23-2009, 12:48 PM   #21 (permalink)
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He'll be an allstar if not this year, then the year after.
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Old 10-23-2009, 01:14 PM   #22 (permalink)
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he's still a puss when it comes to rebounding...
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Old 10-23-2009, 01:30 PM   #23 (permalink)
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if he averages 20/8/2 and we're #4 or higher around february, he could get in as a reserve. Shaq will not start before howard, and if the Cavs dissapoint (almost a guarantee given the expectations), it's not impossible to see the coaches reward andreea.

But that's a ton ifs, the biggest one being 20/8/2 - I just don't see it this season.
Yeah I cant see him get 8 boards a game but i think he will average between 18-20 points pretty easily. I hope he surprises us all then we would be in for a fun season
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Yes, if Bosh doesn't bogart the ball.
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Old 10-23-2009, 02:18 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Ironically rebounding, as Bargs mentions, is what will get Bargs into an All-Star game, but I think it will also prevent him from making an All-Star game, at least in the short term.

If Bargs can put up 20/10, then I could see the coaches picking him as Howard's backup. However, I seriously doubt Bargs even sniffs 10 rebs per game this year. He plays too far from the basket, and he still doesn't box out well. He should spend a week just watching Reggie Evans non-stop.
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Old 10-23-2009, 03:41 PM   #26 (permalink)
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20/10/2 will almost make him a lock - there is only one player in the league who averages that, Tim Duncan.
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Old 10-23-2009, 03:42 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Can he do it? He could. But if he goes, it'll be as an injury replacement. Howard and probably O'Neal (Shaq) will fill the void at C. David Lee might even get the call before Bargs.
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20/10/2 will almost make him a lock - there is only one player in the league who averages that, Tim Duncan.


Duncan hasn't averaged 20/10/2 in three years. Bosh is the only one to do it last year(assuming 2 is assists).
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Old 10-23-2009, 03:57 PM   #29 (permalink)
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You guys are missing something. The fans only decide the starters. The bench is decided by the coaches. The coaches obviously know their ball but most of the fans who vote don't. I don't think you'll see the coaches vote Shaq in again out of sympathy. He'll need to earn it. Because of this Andrea has an outside shot. Its unlikely but not impossible because the fans won't decide this one.

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shaq doesnt need the coaches, he can get the votes
Maybe my memory is wrong but didn't Dwight break the All-star record for votes last year??? If Shaq is on the team then its because of the coaches.

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Old 10-23-2009, 03:58 PM   #30 (permalink)
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20/10/2 will almost make him a lock - there is only one player in the league who averages that, Tim Duncan.
Actually, that's Chris Bosh.
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Old 10-23-2009, 04:12 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Yes, if Bosh doesn't bogart the ball.
Actually, it would depend more on Bargnani finding shots for teammates rather than launching everytime he touches it. If he is able to fill a well-defined role, as we are starting to see, then it's a possibilty.

But kills me how so many fans get all giddy when the ball comes his way and he launches rather than allow for something better to develop, as if his golden touch just can't be neglected. And yet if Bosh holds the ball a bit too long while waiting for a double-team to come his way so he can pass out to the open guy, then he's a ballhog denying Bargnani's greatness.

It's going to take the both of them to make something for either one this season. That's not that hard to figure out is it?
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Old 10-23-2009, 04:20 PM   #32 (permalink)
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He'll have a nice season, but unless he becomes a beast over night and averages 8rpg he won't even be considered. The fact is most people south of the border think Toronto overpaid for him and that he's a pussy. So unless he turns some heads with his rebounding, forget it.
There are people North of the border than think the same lol.

As for this whole popularity BS... only the starters are picked by votes. the rest are picked by coaches.
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Duncan hasn't averaged 20/10/2 in three years. Bosh is the only one to do it last year(assuming 2 is assists).
No I'm pretty sure he means blocks - the more important stat for a center.

And the only true 20/10/2+ guy last year was Dwight Howard, with a monstrous 20.6 points, 13.8 rebs and 2.9 blocks!

Bosh was close with 22.7/10/1 .

Duncan was even closer, with 19.3/10.7/1.7, but his numbers have been sagging a little bit the past few years.

In Duncan's first 7 years i the league, he averaged no less than 21.1 points, 11.4 rebs and 2.2 blocks per game - to show you how freaking awesome and consistent he was.
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if he averages 20/8/2 and we're #4 or higher around february, he could get in as a reserve. Shaq will not start before howard, and if the Cavs dissapoint (almost a guarantee given the expectations), it's not impossible to see the coaches reward andreea.

But that's a ton ifs, the biggest one being 20/8/2 - I just don't see it this season.
It's almost a guarantee the Cavs will disappoint?? Where do you come up with this stuff?

Andrea's chances come down to whether or not Shaq wants to play in the all-star game. Will Shaq want to keep resting his whatever toe he declares is sore in the first half of the year? Who knows. But it's probably not likely since Shaq has always enjoyed playing in the all-star games.
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Certainly not this season. In the future, maybe. Needs to improve on the boards and on his help defense.
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Just to add, I think Bargs should be getting more touches/shots per game...just as much, if not more than CB4.
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Yeah tonight is a testament to that. Bargnani was once again a killer. He actually took four more shots than Bosh, had six more misses than Bosh, and 15 fewer points, to go along with three fewer total rebounds than what Bosh accumulated with offensive boards alone. He's the franchise guy for sure. And certainly looking like All Star material.
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Duncan hasn't averaged 20/10/2 in three years. Bosh is the only one to do it last year(assuming 2 is assists).
2 is blocks of course, much harder than assists.
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It's almost a guarantee the Cavs will disappoint?? Where do you come up with this stuff?

Andrea's chances come down to whether or not Shaq wants to play in the all-star game. Will Shaq want to keep resting his whatever toe he declares is sore in the first half of the year? Who knows. But it's probably not likely since Shaq has always enjoyed playing in the all-star games.
it's simple logic actually, anything less than 65 wins will be a dissapointment, since they are expected to at least match their last season win total.
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Yeah tonight is a testament to that. Bargnani was once again a killer. He actually took four more shots than Bosh, had six more misses than Bosh, and 15 fewer points, to go along with three fewer total rebounds than what Bosh accumulated with offensive boards alone. He's the franchise guy for sure. And certainly looking like All Star material.

one game a season does not make. fact is that (and it's not cb's, but mitchell's fault), our offense was designed in the past to go through Bosh who was supposed to create something, but often was unable since his main advantage against defenders is gone after 1 second or so.

Bargnani is still plagued by poor officiating, juding by the box score and doug's chat, half the fouls were non existent, and he was unable to find a rhythm. He was pretty good in the first half, when he was shooting over 50% and had 2 blocks and 5 rebounds already.
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