Bargnani or Roy???
Old 03-16-2010, 11:10 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Bargnani or Roy???

Greetings everyone....my first post here.

Some friends and I were having a debate the other day and I figured that you guys on Raptors forum could help us solve this.

Back in the 2006 draft, I firmly believe that the Raps should have picked Brandon Roy over Bargs as the #1 pick (a decision that continues to haunt us like Araujo over Iggy!) I think that Bargnani was so far under the radar that we could have got him in the 2nd round - or do a sign-and-trade using Mo Pete had just entered free agency.

Some of my buddies think we had no chance getting Bargnani if we picked Roy since Bargnani was probably a top-5 or top-10 pick at most

What do you think?
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Old 03-16-2010, 11:15 AM   #2 (permalink)
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hindsight is 20-20 dude. at the time no one wanted roy because he had suspect knees, and he fell to #7. nobody, and i mean nobody, had him going in the top 3. your choices were gay, aldridge and andrea, aldridge is a poor man's bosh, so he made no sense. gay would have been a terrific pick. i still think Bargs can be a great player. i may be wrong, but to suggest that we should have seen what roy had to offer is to suggest that 6 other teams, and pretty much every scout, also should have known, and the fact was that no one saw it coming. he was considered damaged goods. it is only in hindsight that we can say that was a mistake.


in hindsight sam bowie was a bad pick. so was greg oden. but jordan and durant were at least considered for the #1 pick. roy was not.
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Bargs would have gone top 3. 7 footers with skills are rare.

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Old 03-16-2010, 11:17 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Seeing as Roy fell to 6th and was immediately traded for Foye, I don't think many considerd him to go 1st over all. Personally, at the time I thought if not Bargs, we should've taken Gay.

I read somewhere that one of the steams in the top 5 would've taken him had Toronto not selected him, so no doubt he would've been gone.
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not this shit again.........how long must this question be asked. Yes we got bargs. ROY WAS CHOSEN 6TH. THERE ARE 4 OTHER TEAMS THAT ALSO PASSED UP ON HIM...why must people ask this question, if the guy went second then ok i can understand it, but he went 6th....
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Roy hands down. I'd take Gay as well since unless we're talking Dwight or Shaw the days of the dominant center are pretty much done. Winning teams have dominant guards and we don't have any.
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Roy hands down. I'd take Gay as well since unless we're talking Dwight or Shaw the days of the dominant center are pretty much done. Winning teams have dominant guards and we don't have any.
but we do have average pg play for 48 mins... lol
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but we do have average pg play for 48 mins... lol
And thus we're an average team
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Old 03-16-2010, 12:27 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Roy>Bargnani
Gay>Bargnani
Rondo>Bargnani
Aldridge>Bargnani

Bargnani is having trouble being the second or third option on a mediocre team. With the exception of Rondo, those players above are #1 or #2 options on playoff teams. With Rondo, he was the best player for the Celtics in the playoffs last year.
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And thus we're an average team
Absolutely agree, and when you add in 48 mins of below average SG play in a guard-dominated league... ouch!

As for the 2006 draft, considering Aldridge went second and is not really an upgrade over Bargnani, Morrison went third and will be out of the league next year, Tyrus Thoma went fourth and will always be an underachiever, Sheldon Williams went fifth and gets outplayed by his wife (but AP also gets beat by her), and Roy went 6th...... there was no talk at the time that Roy was a top 6 pick... Rudy Gay wenty 8th and was not considered for a top three spot at all at the time either... but revisionist history is fun eh?

Maybe we should have taken the next best bigman in the draft.... number 9 anyone? POB,POB,POB,POB!!!!!!
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Old 03-16-2010, 12:34 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Roy>Bargnani
Gay>Bargnani
Rondo>Bargnani
Aldridge>Bargnani

Bargnani is having trouble being the second or third option on a mediocre team. With the exception of Rondo, those players above are #1 or #2 options on playoff teams. With Rondo, he was the best player for the Celtics in the playoffs last year.
Do you watch any of the games? Maybe if this team made an effort to play within a team concept Bargs would get touches and plays for him on a consistent basis... This team refuses to let him flourish, and instead endlessly dump the ball to Bosh and allow peripheral players to try and get theirs as well.... Bargnani does not get enough credit for not just taking his shots every time he touches it... he swings the ball more than any other Raptor does, he plays selfless defence as the anchor where he faces penetrators that get to the hoop without even being touched.... of course he will be slow to react... put LA on this team and he would not seem so rosy, Rondo was an absolute steal in that draft, and Gay is exactly what we can hope for a DD, someone that realizes his potential... so what is really your point?
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Old 03-16-2010, 12:41 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Maybe Raps should have got Dwayne Wade...
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Old 03-16-2010, 12:53 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Maybe Raps should have got Dwayne Wade...
But it's easier to debate

non-all-star *3 rpg Bargnani* vs. all-star *Roy* instead of

perennial all-star *Bosh* vs. perennial all-star *Wade*.
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Roy>Bargnani
Gay>Bargnani
Rondo>Bargnani
Aldridge>Bargnani

Bargnani is having trouble being the second or third option on a mediocre team. With the exception of Rondo, those players above are #1 or #2 options on playoff teams. With Rondo, he was the best player for the Celtics in the playoffs last year.
Bark is greater than all of them... I am sure if Barg had the ball in his hands as much is the players you mentioned do, he will avg. 28 points 8 rebounds and 5 assists.
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Old 03-16-2010, 12:57 PM   #16 (permalink)
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BC knew that Roy was going to be the best player immediately after the draft. The only question mark was the age and 3 or 4 years of college with Roy. Turns out BC made a huge mistake.
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BC's biggest mistake was in choosing a player who duplicated the talents (although not nearly as well) as our franchise player.

When you have a star big you NEED to pair him with a star small.

That's how you win titles.

Gay or Roy would have been easy choices... and he could have always traded down to choose them and acquire additional assets.

I will never understand why people always said that we HAD to trade CV.... yet say nothing about us drafting Bargs (a near identical player) a scant 2-3 years later.
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Bark is greater than all of them... I am sure if Barg had the ball in his hands as much is the players you mentioned do, he will avg. 28 points 8 rebounds and 5 assists.
I really doubt that. Unless you're going to give him 30 shots/gm no matter what.
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BC's biggest mistake was in choosing a player who duplicated the talents (although not nearly as well) as our franchise player.

When you have a star big you NEED to pair him with a star small.

That's how you win titles.

Gay or Roy would have been easy choices... and he could have always traded down to choose them and acquire additional assets.

I will never understand why people always said that we HAD to trade CV.... yet say nothing about us drafting Bargs (a near identical player) a scant 2-3 years later.
Gay would have been an easy choice? Who says he could have gotten great value in what would have been considered a weak class? And CV is not half the player Bargnani is... I can't believe you're even serious...
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Gay or Roy would have been easy choices... and he could have always traded down to choose them and acquire additional assets.

I will never understand why people always said that we HAD to trade CV.... yet say nothing about us drafting Bargs (a near identical player) a scant 2-3 years later.
Bargnani was the obvious choice at #1, IMO. How do you not pick a seven footer with once-in-a-blue-moon talents in a draft where there is NO consensus #1?

Roy's knees were flagged and he dropped as far as six, only to be traded by the team who drafted him. We weren't the only ones who passed on him and we're definitely not the only ones regretting it.

As far as CV and Bargs go it's tough to really compare the two. CV's frustrating inconsistency and lack of drive meant he wasn't in the team's long-term plans. We needed a point guard at the time so it was a very pertinent trade. Bargs? No one knew he'd have the drive and psyche of a five year old girl. A dominant wing player would have been nice at the time but like I said before, how do you pass on Andrea's potential in a draft with no consensus #1? Having said all that, CV is nowhere near the player Andrea is.
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