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Old 12-13-2012, 02:45 PM   #21 (permalink)
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He's light for a PF, I think just visually seeing him on the court and you can see he's undersized weight wise - certainly seems strong enough so far.
I've never had the impression that's he not strong enough surprisingly. I've always thought that he could hold his own.

I thought what held him back was his lack of offensive touch, specifically being able to hit an elbow jumper. He seems to have found that though.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:46 PM   #22 (permalink)
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OKC gets 4-15 pick

#16 and beyond we keep it.
So we should strive to be the worst team in the NBA, a better chance to be in the top 3

Get that SF we so desperately need.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:49 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Yeah, we now can't move and have to keep him for the next 2.5 seasons. Get off the ledge people.
Amnesty baby, amnesty.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:55 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I understand the strain, but a tare?
and right when your apart of trade rumors...
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:58 PM   #25 (permalink)
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This isn't all bad. I'm so happy that Ed and Amir and maybe even Acy can take up all the minutes at the four now And when Lowry comes back, it should be fun to watch I hope...
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What are the lottery protections on our draft pick this coming year? We traded away our pick for Kyle Lowry if I remember correctly, but I think it was lottery protected (up to a certain draft position).

This could turn out very well or catastrophically for us.
top 3 this year, and protected if we make the playoffs
next year I believe it is top 2
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Old 12-13-2012, 04:03 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Personally, though I think this is unfortunate for Bargs, it maybe a silver lining for the Raps - better for both to get him off the floor to preserve any value he has if he does come back before Feb 21.

Also, the small sample of Davis' play has me curious, though I've hesitated to say he is more than a back-up, I would like to see if that's true or if I'd have to eat my words....personally I'd rather eat my words.

It would be nice to actually see a more traditional starting 5 with a front court defending and rebounding. I think Lowry would crash the net less for rebounds if he trusted the 2 up front.

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Personally, though I think this is unfortunate for Bargs, it maybe a silver lining for the Raps - better for both to get him off the floor to preserve any value he has if he does come back before Feb 21.

Also, the small sample of Davis' play has me curious, though I've hesitated to say he is more than a back-up, I would like to see if that's true or if I'd have to eat my words....personally I'd rather eat my words.

It would be nice to actually see a more traditional starting 5 with a front court defending and rebounding. I think Lowry would crash the net less for rebounds if he trusted the 2 up front.
I agree, if we can somehow get a good 3 for Bargs and jose and fillers, we should be good, because I think our front court can easily produce 30+ pts 17+ Reb a game by the time all star break hits, if ed and JV get time together.

That is more than enough if we can get our 1-2-3 actually playing to their potential, A future of demar/Lowry back court and a ED/JV front court would be really good. If we get wiggins, then that team becomes great
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Old 12-13-2012, 04:19 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I've never had the impression that's he not strong enough surprisingly. I've always thought that he could hold his own.

I thought what held him back was his lack of offensive touch, specifically being able to hit an elbow jumper. He seems to have found that though.
Have to agree, Davis has certainly surprised me this year. He's slightly under weight but strong (he said that too before camp but hey, players say a lot of stuff so I took that as a grain of salt). He has some weak areas when shooting but seems to have adjusted this year. Much more aggressive and confident than we've seen before.

Seems to be doing that development cycle that bigs do...good rookie year, regression in the sophomore year, then a push in his 3rd year to surpass previous marks set. If this trend continues then I like it but the Raps better start hitting 3's from the wings/pg psotion or the team will really struggle as the opposition sags into the paint.
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Have to agree, Davis has certainly surprised me this year. He's slightly under weight but strong (he said that too before camp but hey, players say a lot of stuff so I took that as a grain of salt). He has some weak areas when shooting but seems to have adjusted this year. Much more aggressive and confident than we've seen before.

Seems to be doing that development cycle that bigs do...good rookie year, regression in the sophomore year, then a push in his 3rd year to surpass previous marks set. If this trend continues then I like it but the Raps better start hitting 3's from the wings/pg psotion or the team will really struggle as the opposition sags into the paint.
that's the big issue isn't it.

but if we let him and val start with 28-32mpg for the rest of the season, we'll suck, but it'll be great experience for them both.

if we somehow manage to get some value for Bargs and jose, any sort of decent prospects/picks, we could go into next season with 2 really scrappy inside players, with slightly improved post and 12-15ft jumper moves and also a slightly improved perimeter game with lowry, DD and miracle of miracles a legit SF!? from trade/draft/FA (use the amnesty to clear space, maybe some space created in the trades for Bargs and jose, got in an expiring eg.)

we could be good.
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He tore a ligament falling down on his elbow? I mean I guess it was a pretty nasty fall, but it didn't look that bad...

Tough break...

The tank is officially on, need a top 3 pick. SF Andrew Wiggins would look good.
Wiggins is not in this years draft. He still needs to goto college
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Old 12-13-2012, 04:48 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Watch Davis and how he develops. He has a good chance to become Duncan Light.

Remember, Davis was injured in his first season,and didn't have a training camp in his second season, so he's been disadvantaged and still worked hard to develop this game. We saw some flashes in the latter half of last year, and he look's to be developing even more this year.

With him, Jonas, Amir and Terrence, the future does not look as bleak as it did 5 days ago. Bargnani's injury will turn out to be a blessing in disguise.
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I agree, if we can somehow get a good 3 for Bargs and jose and fillers, we should be good, because I think our front court can easily produce 30+ pts 17+ Reb a game by the time all star break hits, if ed and JV get time together.

That is more than enough if we can get our 1-2-3 actually playing to their potential, A future of demar/Lowry back court and a ED/JV front court would be really good. If we get wiggins, then that team becomes great
I would be beside myself but I think he's in the following year in 2014.
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Bargnani's injury will turn out to be a blessing in disguise.
Bullshit. Good chance he would have been traded, now we're stuck with him probably until at least the summer.
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Bullshit. Good chance he would have been traded, now we're stuck with him probably until at least the summer.
that's actually good... his value will increase. A blessing in disguise. You're always wanting to sell low, do you ever learn? You're as bad as Colangelo.
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Indeed, plus the whole league knows we're desperate for a shakeup.
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that's actually good... his value will increase. A blessing in disguise. You're always wanting to sell low, do you ever learn? You're as bad as Colangelo.
His stock may get even worse if he doesn't end the sason well or heaven forbid his injury prone ass gets hurt again. If that all happened i would almost be wanting us to use the amnesty prevision on him.
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Bullshit. Good chance he would have been traded, now we're stuck with him probably until at least the summer.
That's a pompous crock.

Even if he's here, we can amnesty him in the summer.

We get better defence, better rebounding, a happier dressing room and 10 million in cap space.

If players like Scuola and Billups can be amnestied, then we can do it to Bargnani.
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I agree, if we can somehow get a good 3 for Bargs and jose and fillers, we should be good, because I think our front court can easily produce 30+ pts 17+ Reb a game by the time all star break hits, if ed and JV get time together.
if by front court you mean our starters, no way they'll average 30ppg, they'll be lucky to hit 20 combined. Davis would have to score 22ppg for that to happen and that would be quite an achievement
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That's a pompous crock.

Even if he's here, we can amnesty him in the summer.

We get better defence, better rebounding, a happier dressing room and 10 million in cap space.

If players like Scuola and Billups can be amnestied, then we can do it to Bargnani.
amnesty doesn't bring you 100% cap space I think, only 75% - can anybody confirm that?

also, you still have to pay him that money, so unless you have a definitive target in free agency that will clearly improve your team, it makes no sense to do it and I highly doubt MLSE would go for it anyway.

let's face it, our only hope to be good soon was for andrea to play really well, if that doesn't happen, this team has no chance to make the playoffs, even if you bring a good SF. Remember, the idea was to have lowry and Bargnani to play really well AND to add a good SF in order to become a decent team. If you lose bargnani, especially for nothing, you have to go in rebuilding again, so there's no point in amnestying anybody.
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