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fk24 01-30-2011 12:07 AM

Bargnani is just a poor man's Zach Randolph
 
He isn't doing anything better than Zach can do and subtract the rebounding. That's his ceiling and unfortunately Randolph hasn't won anywhere he's went to.

LX 01-30-2011 12:11 AM

He's a homeless man's Darko.

Kirby 01-30-2011 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by LX (Post 501849)
He's a homeless man's Darko.

At this point, I'd like Darko instead. Less salary, more defense and rebounding, more tanking. :dancing:

LX 01-30-2011 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Kirby (Post 501850)
At this point, I'd like Darko instead. Less salary, more defense and rebounding, more tanking. :dancing:

A homeless man's Darko would be less desirable than the real Darko, unless the homeless man is one of those rich people that lose touch with reality and start wearing plastic bags.

pzabby 01-30-2011 12:36 AM

darko and bargs are both busts in my opinion. id say they're comparable. i just say bargs is not worth the eight million hes getting. at this point, if they trade him for a second rounder i'd be alright...:tombstone:

J-Bo 01-30-2011 12:37 AM

you cant stop zach in the post one on one

Kirby 01-30-2011 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by pzabby (Post 501865)
darko and bargs are both busts in my opinion. id say they're comparable. i just say bargs is not worth the eight million hes getting. at this point, if they trade him for a second rounder i'd be alright...:tombstone:

What..? The guy is averaging 20 points and has a rare offensive talent. You'd be fired for trading Andrea for a second round pick lol that was a hyperbole.

Kirby 01-30-2011 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by J-Bo (Post 501867)
you cant stop zach in the post one on one

This.

jj33 01-30-2011 01:08 AM

Bargs need a coach who is really up on him!! like Stan Van on Turkoglou!

Chiggmo 01-30-2011 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jj33 (Post 501879)
Bargs need a coach who is really up on him!! like Stan Van on Turkoglou!

Na even that wouldn't work

TORaptor4Ever 01-30-2011 01:19 AM

This thread is an insult to Zach Randolph.

zxcvbn193 01-30-2011 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever (Post 501883)
This thread is an insult to Zach Randolph.

+1

Randolph has Strenth, has passion, is rebounding, taking a better shot selection, doesn't piss off Grizzles forum readers. . .

pzabby 01-30-2011 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Kirby (Post 501871)
What..? The guy is averaging 20 points and has a rare offensive talent. You'd be fired for trading Andrea for a second round pick lol that was a hyperbole.

i'd rather have a chance at manu than be stuck with andrea. he scores 20, but gives up how much? not even taking into consideration defence, how many off boards does he give up a night? lets say 5 since he should be averaging AT LEAST ten boards a night. lets say four of those translate to two pointers. thats eight points, off boards hes giving up. all of these r minimum numbers taken into consideration and Defence hasnt been taken into thought.. do you really want that on your team?

FoldedLaundry 01-30-2011 02:09 AM

A poor man's Zebo would still be better than Bargs

Raptor-Colts 01-30-2011 02:15 AM

No fucking way he is not even close to a poor man Zebo. Have you seen Andrea ( a girl name how fitting) ever play the post like Zebo. Fuck andrea he is a nobody.

Toby 01-30-2011 02:27 AM

Does Bargnani go to dog fighting clubs with Qyntel Woods?
Does Bargnani sucker punch his teammates in the face during practice?
Does Bargnani get pulled over in downtown Portland with guns and weed in the car?

No???

See, dude needs to work on his street cred to get up to ZeBo's level.

powerfulpanda 01-30-2011 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by pzabby (Post 501865)
darko and bargs are both busts in my opinion. id say they're comparable. i just say bargs is not worth the eight million hes getting. at this point, if they trade him for a second rounder i'd be alright...:tombstone:

+1

Huge bust

being the first overall pick you are expected to be a franchise guy. can't be a franchise guy at least be an all star
by now this guy still doesn't get it and its safe to say he never will. there comes to a point when u realize a player has hit his ceiling and what we hoped to be potential will never be reached. this is all he can be.
he couldn't be the 2nd option on the team when we had bosh and now he can't be the 1st option (if we want to build a winning team that is). so what can he be? 3rd option??

i love my raps so much and it hurts to watch him play

poetics 01-30-2011 04:47 AM

this thread has no merit. all theses points against Andrea make no sense. Being picked # 1 overall is not a player decision, rather executive. just cause he's picked 1 you all think he should be the next dominant center. like an earlier poster said, hes averaging 20+ppts per game. He was never a dominant re bounder in Italy therefore will never become one. He may improve, as he's shown...I would have Bargs on my team over Randolph any day. Randolph is a much more redundant player...

Nites 01-30-2011 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by zxcvbn193 (Post 501885)
+1

Randolph has Strenth, has passion, is rebounding, taking a better shot selection, doesn't piss off Grizzles forum readers. . .

Agree with everything except that.


Admiral 01-30-2011 09:20 AM

i'm not saying i don't agree with everyone, but i don't think you guys know zach randolph as well as you think
i think you're giving zach too much credit here
the only thing he does better than bargs is rebound, his defense is equally bad, in fact maybe worse, just that the overall team plays better D so it masks his non-defensive play

jeffb 01-30-2011 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jj33 (Post 501879)
Bargs need a coach who is really up on him!! like Stan Van on Turkoglou!

the whole team needs that

EggsToTheBBQ 01-30-2011 12:34 PM

Irk Nowitzki.

Dirk without the D.

raptorballer13 01-30-2011 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by EggsToTheBBQ (Post 501997)
Irk Nowitzki.

Dirk without the D.

Dirk NoWitsKi.

powerfulpanda 01-30-2011 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by poetics (Post 501919)
this thread has no merit. all theses points against Andrea make no sense. Being picked # 1 overall is not a player decision, rather executive. just cause he's picked 1 you all think he should be the next dominant center. like an earlier poster said, hes averaging 20+ppts per game. He was never a dominant re bounder in Italy therefore will never become one. He may improve, as he's shown...I would have Bargs on my team over Randolph any day. Randolph is a much more redundant player...

being picked number is not a player decision and neither is being labelled a bust, which he is. it doesn't matter. when u have expectations placed upon you and u don't live up to them, that is a bust! fair or unfair that is not the point. and i think in bargs case, its been more than fair. coming in he was being compared to be the next dirk! so being called a bust is appropriate. hes not even half a dirk right now.
if u would rather have randolph anyday over bargs u don't know what ur talking about

zxcvbn193 01-30-2011 03:18 PM

Bargnani is coming to my Town. What sign Should I make for him?

Ex2k 01-30-2011 03:29 PM

You guys make it sound like Bargs in the only 20point + player whos been bad defensively in the history of the NBA...

and you want to get rid of him for a bag of potatoes ... He would thrive on a good defensive TEAM...

the Raptors are NOT

JayJayW 01-30-2011 03:37 PM

This comparison is stupid..

Dutches 01-31-2011 12:58 AM

he's a pothead's Olajuwon.

tdotballing 01-31-2011 10:14 AM

can someone explain to me how Andrea is anything like Randolph? We might as well compare Andrea to Derrick Rose because they're both basketball players

poetics 01-31-2011 03:56 PM

hmmok
 
hmm OK
So if i have expectations in somthing its a bust if it doesn't turn out exactly the way i want it to.

i expect the raptors to win 90% of their remaining games this yr and make it to the finals...

i love how this expectation thing works....

maybe that's how Michael did it when he chose Kwame...



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Originally Posted by powerfulpanda (Post 502032)
being picked number is not a player decision and neither is being labelled a bust, which he is. it doesn't matter. when u have expectations placed upon you and u don't live up to them, that is a bust! fair or unfair that is not the point. and i think in bargs case, its been more than fair. coming in he was being compared to be the next dirk! so being called a bust is appropriate. hes not even half a dirk right now.
if u would rather have randolph anyday over bargs u don't know what ur talking about


powerfulpanda 01-31-2011 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poetics (Post 502436)
hmm OK
So if i have expectations in somthing its a bust if it doesn't turn out exactly the way i want it to.

i expect the raptors to win 90% of their remaining games this yr and make it to the finals...

i love how this expectation thing works....

maybe that's how Michael did it when he chose Kwame...

your argument makes no sense...
makes u sound like someone who is just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing

the expectations have to be REASONABLE and GENERAL. not just a random expectation by one person.
since bargs was first overall pick, OUR expectations of him were not unreasonable (consistant allstar, comparisons to dirk, etc)
and if u expect the raps to win 90% of their remaining games and make it to the finals, what are the basis of ur expectations? if you genuinely expect taht of this team and they don't do it, i'm sure that would be a failed season. but only to you because no one else expects that

RAPMAN 02-01-2011 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by tdotballing (Post 502331)
can someone explain to me how Andrea is anything like Randolph?

They are both black holes. The guy doesn't pass. Every time Andrea touches the ball on the offensive end, the ball movement stops and the shot goes up.He spending all his energy on the offensive end trying to shoot himself out of this slump, instead of moving the ball and creating opportunities for team mates. If the shot is not falling, help your team in other ways.

archie63 02-01-2011 08:55 AM

Bythe way seeing the current strek and the recent Bargs poor play it seems thet the team can't win without him playing good.

Someguy again 02-01-2011 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 007nites (Post 501931)
Agree with everything except that.

YouTube - Zach Randolph Air ball by Cavs@Clippers

randolph has changed over the years every he since he left the jailblazers and clippers. He's more matured and much more polished in his overall game

poetics 02-02-2011 01:47 AM

...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by powerfulpanda (Post 502446)
your argument makes no sense...
makes u sound like someone who is just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing

the expectations have to be REASONABLE and GENERAL. not just a random expectation by one person.
since bargs was first overall pick, OUR expectations of him were not unreasonable (consistant allstar, comparisons to dirk, etc)
and if u expect the raps to win 90% of their remaining games and make it to the finals, what are the basis of ur expectations? if you genuinely expect taht of this team and they don't do it, i'm sure that would be a failed season. but only to you because no one else expects that

GM's make the call, obviously. In sports your picked whatever position in a draft based on the assumption of your value, that value is based on the premise of what your anticipated to deliver. I think everybody with a BBALL right mind knew that Bargs was/is not a true number 1 pick. It was BC's call, this doesn't necessarily justify Bargs being picker numero uno, nor a given, perennial all star cuz of draft night status. it just means that expectations on him were sky high from day one, and obviously inflated as well. He's good, but not #1 pick material.

at the end of the day its just a matter of opinion. we agree to disagree. cool! isnt what this is all about :)


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