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Old 05-07-2011, 08:26 PM   #121 (permalink)
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Defensive monster? Just because he's a better defensive player then Bargnani it doesn't make him a defensive monster. Now who's making shit up? When did I ever say he was a defensive monster? This discussion is over, no point to it at this point. Btw, if you defend Bargnani and think he can land us Tyreke fuckin' Evans.....you're a Bargnani fan. Sorry to break it to you.
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Old 05-07-2011, 08:32 PM   #122 (permalink)
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Post of the month. lol.

It's way, WAY too early to say that Green has peaked. He's 24 years old.

No one is going to trade you SOLID players who are doing an amazing job for their current team.... one of the best things you can do as a savvy GM is identify players who aren't playing up to their potential because they don't "fit in" and deal for them while moving a guy who doesn't fit in with YOUR scheme.

As critical as I've been towards BC I will say that that seems to be a strength of his.... at least when it comes to dealing with cheaper players.
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Old 05-07-2011, 08:38 PM   #123 (permalink)
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So I think Bargs could fill a need somewhere. But I'm not holding my breath for anything awesome.
Can I honestly ask why there is such Bargnani trade talks here as if he's certainly gone? I'm honestly curious if there was an indication that this is a done deal.

Personally, I don't see Bargs going anywhere unless he were part of a draft day deal.
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Can I honestly ask why there is such Bargnani trade talks here as if he's certainly gone? I'm honestly curious if there was an indication that this is a done deal.

Personally, I don't see Bargs going anywhere unless he were part of a draft day deal.
We're talking in hypotheticals. It's all speculation. The thread was started based on a hypo.

We don't know what is going to happen with management. In my opinion, if B.C. is re-signed, then that probably drastically reduces the odds of Bargnani getting traded in the near future. However, if, as a result of the shift in ownership, Colangelo is let go, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Bargs is traded sometime next season (whenever that is, given the CBA talks could take a while).
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Old 05-07-2011, 09:54 PM   #125 (permalink)
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Despite the fact that Jeff Green would fill our need for a starting SF, Bargs simply has more talent and potential than he does.
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Old 05-08-2011, 01:35 AM   #126 (permalink)
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I really don't understand. I am not a fan of Bargs, or any other player on our roster, but i have nothing against him, and if they get a nice trade offer I would pull the trigger, if it will make the team better, BUT the Raps have been shitty on D for the past 3-4 years, is it all Bargs fault ? give me a break....
Triano coaching D, flat out. Yes Bargs can improve his D, no question abt it, but I have seen posts that are just stupid abt him.
If we trade him for a big man, i.e Nene (I wish), Gasol (no chance. and i think he has too much hype around him now) etc we will have poor offense and 3 point %... DD according to different sources is gonna be SG-SF, he is more of a SF imo. I think that for Bargs we can try and get a budle of the Birdman Chris Andersen for D and Al Harrington for the offense, we may need in return another Julian Wright kind of player...
Is it gonna make our team better? who knows... these 2 guys are 30+ year-old and may give us 2-3 years at best.
I think the picture is clear. If we trade Bargs for a defensive C, who exactly is gonna put points on the board?

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Old 05-08-2011, 02:16 PM   #127 (permalink)
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No way ... we can get more than Green for Bargs
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Old 05-08-2011, 02:44 PM   #128 (permalink)
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No way ... we can get more than Green for Bargs
agreed, even if the reality is that green is equal or better than bargnani, which i am not going to start arguing, the fact is bargnani's status in the league and as a #1 pick can still net a better return than just Green
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Old 05-08-2011, 03:28 PM   #129 (permalink)
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agreed, even if the reality is that green is equal or better than bargnani, which i am not going to start arguing, the fact is bargnani's status in the league and as a #1 pick can still net a better return than just Green
No arguing, Jeff is not better than Bargs.
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Despite the fact that Jeff Green would fill our need for a starting SF, Bargs simply has more talent and potential than he does.
How so? I mean really look at Bargnani's game and tell me what he does so well other then shoot which was inconsistent all season. He's not good with his back to the basket, still not that comfortable going to the rim consistently, awful help/weak side defender, Awful shot blocker for a 7 footer and to top it all off his overall attitude towards defense and sheer lack of effort most nights really puts him in an even lower standing. At least if he gave an honest effort most nights and looked to at least improve on the defensive end and rebounding it would be at least something. But shit just look at his comments at the end of the season about defense and rebounding. Those comments alone should get his ass traded. You know, it's one thing to have talent, WHICH HE OBVIOUSLY HAS, but when you consistently lack drive and effort to improve in things that don't come as easily to you........you'll never be a winner.
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Old 05-08-2011, 10:14 PM   #131 (permalink)
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Old 05-09-2011, 12:32 AM   #132 (permalink)
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i wouldnt do this trade simply because it wouldnt improve the team
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Old 05-09-2011, 01:14 AM   #133 (permalink)
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So a young player who's proven to be a two way player and we can't give him say a 5yr/35Mil contract, so we'll keep Bargnani who's owed 4yrs/40Mil and who obviously should be moved? OK
just so you know, two way player doesn't refer to players who don't suck on both offense and defense You're supposed to be at least above average on either, and green is many things, but above average he's not.

Green is just not that good, he might be better than Bargnani overall, but it's academic. You're not getting anywhere paying players like green fair money. I'd rather trade Bargnani for an expiring if nothing better comes along, than to replace his salary with green's.

Green, at the right salary, is a good player to have on the bench of a really good team. He's versatile and does many things reasonably well, so he can fill in many hats. Since we're not a very good team, we have no use for him.
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i wouldnt do this trade simply because it wouldnt improve the team
It kills me that a comment like that is always said about any player brought up. Yet, Calderon would be great in LA and Bargs would flourish in Boston. The logic sometimes seems to go out the window. Lol
I remember someone saying Gasol wouldn't make us much better.

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Old 05-09-2011, 07:29 AM   #135 (permalink)
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It kills me that a comment like that is always said about any player brought up. Yet, Calderon would be great in LA and Bargs would flourish in Boston. The logic sometimes seems to go out the window. Lol
I remember someone saying Gasol wouldn't make us much better.
Why do u care how la or boston does after the trade? Your logic doesn't make sense.
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Why do u care how la or boston does after the trade? Your logic doesn't make sense.
If you read it properly I was saying that's what other people have said.
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Old 05-09-2011, 09:39 AM   #137 (permalink)
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In my opinion, if B.C. is re-signed, then that probably drastically reduces the odds of Bargnani getting traded in the near future
Couple reasons why I don't agree
BC has understood that Bargnani doesn't fit into this team future
Re-signing could be done with a clause that he gets rid of Bargs
If anybody can trade Bargs with his long contract and one-sided game, its BC
(and get proper players in return not washed up garbage)
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Old 05-09-2011, 02:25 PM   #138 (permalink)
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I'm really not into Jeff Green. He'd just add to our list of bench quality SF's. We'd have 4 bench quality Sf's after this trade.
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Old 05-09-2011, 07:51 PM   #139 (permalink)
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BC has understood that Bargnani doesn't fit into this team future
That still doesn't mean he trades him in the "near future" as I said. Even if BC is not just telling the fans what they want to hear at his last press conference, I think he will still give Bargs a full year to up his value/prove himself, unless we got a top 2 pick. In that case, he might have an easier time giving up on him (just opinion, obviously).

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Re-signing could be done with a clause that he gets rid of Bargs
That would be awesome. "You can come back...but..."

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If anybody can trade Bargs with his long contract and one-sided game, its BC (and get proper players in return not washed up garbage
Oh, if BC does finally trade him, I have confidence that Colangelo will get something as solid, if not better, than any replacement GM would get. Given that he drafted Bargs, I think BC would try really hard to make sure he gets some value so that he can say his pick ultimately help the team.

We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

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Old 05-09-2011, 09:47 PM   #140 (permalink)
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That was pretty much established right off the bat. Let's face it, getting an asset like Green for Bargnani would be difficult to get done and Ainge is smarter then that.
Green was addition by subtraction for OKC. Go read the OKC forums posts about Green - he's a total tweener, and they played much better without him. On OKC, he took away minutes from James Harden, Ibaka, and even some touches from Durant.

He doesn't have the ballhandling skills of a modern 3 and he's way undersized for the 4. Bargnani has his flaws, but I'd strongly argue he's a much better 4 than Green.
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