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Old 05-07-2011, 07:22 PM   #101 (permalink)
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That was pretty much established right off the bat. Let's face it, getting an asset like Green for Bargnani would be difficult to get done and Ainge is smarter then that.
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So a young player who's proven to be a two way player and we can't give him say a 5yr/35Mil contract, so we'll keep Bargnani who's owed 4yrs/40Mil and who obviously should be moved? OK
1 - he's not really that proven of a defensive player. I'm not convinced he's much better than James Johnson (and any scoring avantage might be made up from other positions).

2 - Unless the CBA really handcuffs teams, I suspect he will get more than $35 million for a 5 year deal, although neither of us can say for certain.

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So a young player who's proven to be a two way player and we can't give him say a 5yr/35Mil contract, so we'll keep Bargnani who's owed 4yrs/40Mil and who obviously should be moved? OK
he hasnt proved that much at all.

Taking out his time with Boston he played primarily as a pf, he isnt a solid ft shooter, isnt great at getting to the line anyways. And OKC had a 10 point differential in defensive rating when he was on the bench as opposed to being on the court.
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That was pretty much established right off the bat. Let's face it, getting an asset like Green for Bargnani would be difficult to get done and Ainge is smarter then that.
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he hasnt proved that much at all.

Taking out his time with Boston he played primarily as a pf, he isnt a solid ft shooter, isnt great at getting to the line anyways. And OKC had a 10 point differential in defensive rating when he was on the bench as opposed to being on the court.
He shot 81% from the line this season and is a career 78% FT shooter. As for him not proving much, that's not what i saw in OKC. He was a consistent scorer and a pretty good defender.

His averages in OKC as a third option:

10.5ppg/4.8rpg (rookie season)
16.5ppg/6.6rpg
15.1ppg/6rpg
15.2ppg/5.6rpg

To me that's extremely consistent for a 24yr old player.
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So a young player who's proven to be a two way player and we can't give him say a 5yr/35Mil contract, so we'll keep Bargnani who's owed 4yrs/40Mil and who obviously should be moved? OK
Green is a tweener. Where do you plan on playing him? Hes not big enough to guard PFs and hes not good enough and consistant enough to play SF. He cant beat people off the dribble at SF nor post them up. Whats the point of the trade? Green isnt getting much better than he is now, and he isnt that far above average. It's a treadmill trade.

Though its the Raptors, so running on the treadmill is commonly done, so this trade will probably happen and you'll all be excited how we're still in the same situation as before but without Bargs! Wooo.
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He shot 81% from the line this season and is a career 78% FT shooter. As for him not proving much, that's not what i saw in OKC. He was a consistent scorer and a pretty good defender.

His averages in OKC as a third option:

10.5ppg/4.8rpg (rookie season)
16.5ppg/6.6rpg
15.1ppg/6rpg
15.2ppg/5.6rpg

To me that's extremely consistent for a 24yr old player.
The guy can definitely put the ball in the hoop and probably hasn't tapped all of his offensive potential (he might get better in the post). That's why I think he could get 8 or $9 mill per, unless the next CBA is really, really brutal.

But I don't think it's really that great of a move for Toronto. I'd rather net something esle, assuming it's possible.

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The guy can definitely put the ball in the hoop and probably hasn't tapped all of his offensive potential. That's why I think he could get 8 or $9 mill per, unless the next CBA is really, really brutal.

But I don't think it's really that great of a move for Toronto. I'd rather net something esle, assuming it's possible.
What do you think we can seriously get for bargnani? Assuming it's possible? This deal we're discussing isn't even possible imo.
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What do you think we can seriously get for bargnani? Assuming it's possible? This deal we're discussing isn't even possible imo.
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Funny thing is some ask what Green has proven. Answer....more then Bargnani.
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Funny thing is some ask what Green has proven. Answer....more then Bargnani.
Green has proven to play shit on a good team as a backup. If he was any good OKC would of kept him. Green = Sonny Weems. Everything Green can do, Weems can do exactly the same.. they are clones. Bargnani has proven to be a scorer from anywhere on the floor, yet we haven't seen him play beside a defensive center. He played beside a defensive PF at most and did relatively well until injuries got factored in.
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Green has proven to play shit on a good team as a backup. If he was any good OKC would of kept him. Green = Sonny Weems. Everything Green can do, Weems can do exactly the same.. they are clones. Bargnani has proven to be a scorer from anywhere on the floor, yet we haven't seen him play beside a defensive center. He played beside a defensive PF at most and did relatively well until injuries got factored in.
Both have proven they can score, period. The difference is Green is a better rebounder and better defender. The only reason OKC traded him was because they severely needed size and Boston insisted on Green. OKC had a need and payed a price for it. As for Bargnani needing to play with a defensive player beside him, shows how bad he is at everything but shooting and even that was spotty this season. And the worst part about Bargnani by far is his lack of effort and his sheer disreguard for even attempting to improve defensively.
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Both have proven they can score, period. The difference is Green is a better rebounder and better defender. The only reason OKC traded him was because they severely needed size and Boston insisted on Green. OKC had a need and payed a price for it. As for Bargnani needing to play with a defensive player beside him, shows how bad he is at everything but shooting and even thgat was spotty this season. And the worst part about Bargnani by far is his lack of effort and his sheer disreguard for even attempting to improve defensively.
Green can't defend a rock, Weems is even a better defender. Of course Bargnani needs to play beside a defensive center, every player in the league wants to play beside a defensive center. Hell, even Bosh was saying for years he wanted a defensive center so they signed Jermaine O'Neal. Wanting a defensive center doesn't mean your a bad player, its just something every team wants and needs.
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Green can't defend a rock, Weems is even a better defender. Of course Bargnani needs to play beside a defensive center, every player in the league wants to play beside a defensive center. Hell, even Bosh was saying for years he wanted a defensive center so they signed Jermaine O'Neal. Wanting a defensive center doesn't mean your a bad player, its just something every team wants and needs.
Haaaaaah, a Bargnani fan putting down someone's defense. Now that is jokes.
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Haaaaaah, a Bargnani fan putting down someone's defense. Now that is jokes.
Like I said before, just because I don't hate it doesn't make me a fan. Quit making shit up. You know nothing about Jeff Green, do you think hes a defensive monster? Now THAT is fuckin' jokes.
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Like I said before, just because I don't hate it doesn't make me a fan. Quit making shit up. You know nothing about Jeff Green, do you think hes a defensive monster? Now THAT is fuckin' jokes.
Defensive monster? Just because he's a better defensive player then Bargnani it doesn't make him a defensive monster. Now who's making shit up? When did I ever say he was a defensive monster? This discussion is over, no point to it at this point. Btw, if you defend Bargnani and think he can land us Tyreke fuckin' Evans.....you're a Bargnani fan. Sorry to break it to you.
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What do you think we can seriously get for bargnani? Assuming it's possible? This deal we're discussing isn't even possible imo.
In my opinion, it's tough to call, Jeff, because you have to find a team for which his skill set fills a need. He doesn't do enough things well to trade him to anybody, and that's why I would have a difficult time seeing a team like Boston take him. Having said that, not including players on rookie contracts, there are few, if any, other players who scored 20+ppg while earning under $10 mill last season. So I think Bargs could fill a need somewhere. But I'm not holding my breath for anything awesome.
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