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Old 05-07-2011, 01:01 AM   #61 (permalink)
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josh smith will never happen, they could get more than Bargnani for him, he's a defensive monster when his head is in the game. Give him to a hard-ass coach with a pedigree and he'll probably improve his focus a lot.
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Old 05-07-2011, 03:22 AM   #62 (permalink)
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well it is TORAP we are talking about here so it shoudn't surprise u to hear such a comment.....i mean he called green an all-star ffs, and called a 22 ppg trash...both are a first ive ever seen. i mean i understand him not liking Bargs game and all, but trash? cmon thats a little much....hate clouding the judgement.......and somehow he thinks Bosh is an mvp calibre player......there is just some things in life i will never understand.....
You really need to work on your reading comprehension... because no where in my post did I say that Bargs was trash.

That was a conclusion that you drew all on your own.

I was actually thinking of Bargs in the statement FOLLOWING the one that you referred to ("no one's going to give you all-stars for your role players").

And no lol... I didn't call Jeff Green an all-star either.
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Old 05-07-2011, 05:41 AM   #63 (permalink)
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yep...and i dont think most people here have watch too many celtic's games...


i've watch almost every celtics game this season, including after he was traded....and he has looked awful....and if you go around celtic's boards, the fans will let you know as well....

that being said, if i were BC, i would at least consider it...
I've seen every Celtics game this season. They would never consider Bargnani. They won' t want to hide AB's lack of effort. Danny Ainge will want to stick with Green for a while.
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Old 05-07-2011, 09:22 AM   #64 (permalink)
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1- Green isn't that great.
2- the Celtics would never trade for Bargs. That is one way ticket for Ainges early retirement. "Hey I know I traded away are defensive anchor but I've got a really great solution...."
3- Green is a tweener who prefers the 4 over the 3. We just have to many guys at the 4 all of the same caliber, and Green IMO would be just one more.
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Old 05-07-2011, 10:00 AM   #65 (permalink)
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i think Bargnani is a little more valuable a player than green is
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i think Bargnani is a little more valuable a player than green is
I disagree.
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Old 05-07-2011, 10:56 AM   #67 (permalink)
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Ed Davis is going to be in the weight room everyday to get bigger, he said so himself. Hopefully he can get big enough to play center, then Bargnani would most likely get moved to the 4 spot. I think Bargnani/Davis is better than Amir/Davis because of size and the ability to spread the floor. Lets not kid ourselves, Bargnani > Amir at the 4 spot. Amir and Davis play too similar so it wouldn't make sense to start them both.
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Old 05-07-2011, 12:42 PM   #68 (permalink)
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I wouldn't move davis to C, he's never going to be big enough, plus he's not tall enough. What we need at C is a tough defensive guy who can put 10ppg if needed. Meaning no J. Collins, but at the very least somebody like perkins. I would really make a move at nene, gasol or oden this summer, using Bargnani as a carrot. If we convince the other team that we're going to overpay for their center to the point where they can't match, they might be willing to do a S&T rather than lose him for nothing, who knows ..
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Old 05-07-2011, 12:52 PM   #69 (permalink)
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I wouldn't move davis to C, he's never going to be big enough, plus he's not tall enough. What we need at C is a tough defensive guy who can put 10ppg if needed. Meaning no J. Collins, but at the very least somebody like perkins. I would really make a move at nene, gasol or oden this summer, using Bargnani as a carrot. If we convince the other team that we're going to overpay for their center to the point where they can't match, they might be willing to do a S&T rather than lose him for nothing, who knows ..
Not tall enough? Hes 6'10''... how tall do you think Perkins is? What about Al Horford? David Lee? Jared Sullinger? Chuck Hayes? Etc etc. In the grand scheme of things one or two inches doesn't matter, look at Bargnani after all.. he is a 7 footer but what does he do as a center that would be any better than Davis? Nothing. What makes you think Davis will never be big enough? He is a rookie, if he wants to get bigger then he can and will get bigger. Look at Dwight Howard, he used to be small and hit the gym and turned into a beast. I'm not saying Davis is going to turn into Dwight Howard, but you're counting him out too fast.
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Old 05-07-2011, 12:55 PM   #70 (permalink)
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I don't see much, if any, benefit from trading Bargnani for Green. I like Green a lot, but he's way too inconsistent, he's more of a role player than a lead guy, and he doesn't address a need on the team. While Bargnani is also extremely inconsistent, he has a higher upside than Green and arguably has been the better producer.

If the team wants to deal Bargnani, they could surely do better than a straight-up deal for Green. There likely will be several teams interested in landing Bargnani, who could be an extremely valuable player if teamed with the right big man and PG. For instance, Bargnani in New Orleans would be a great fit with Paul at PG and Okafor at C, not to mention West out for some time. I also wonder if the Lakers will be looking to make any moves this off-season should they be eliminated by the Mavs.
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i'm surprised that there is any response to this besides 'hell no'
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Old 05-07-2011, 01:12 PM   #72 (permalink)
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maybe if you're going to do a salary dump... but Jeff Green is not the answer. esp since theres James Johnson and Kleiza on the roster
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maybe if you're going to do a salary dump... but Jeff Green is not the answer. esp since theres James Johnson and Kleiza on the roster
Green>>>> Johnson
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Green>>>> Johnson
What can Green do that Johnson can't? Johnson addresses this team in areas we need.. which are defense, ball-handling, play making, rebounding and toughness. Green doesn't bring any of those except score the ball inconsistently, and DeRozan is a way better scorer than Green. If you think Green would make this team better then you're delusional.
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What can Green do that Johnson can't? Johnson addresses this team in areas we need.. which are defense, ball-handling, play making, rebounding and toughness. Green doesn't bring any of those except score the ball inconsistently, and DeRozan is a way better scorer than Green. If you think Green would make this team better then you're delusional.
Better shooter, better scorer, better athlete, more proven, better conditioning from what i can see.I'm far from sold on Johnson, way too early to overrate him.
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i'm surprised that there is any response to this besides 'hell no'
Why?

Green avgd about 15 & 6 in 2.5 years with OKC as the third option.

He's a legit SF and plays both sides of the ball.

Not sure why people are judging him purely based on his play with the Celts.

I'd be very curious to know what kind of player people think we're going to be able to pull with Bargs.
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Not sure why people are judging him purely based on his play with the Celts.

I'd be very curious to know what kind of player people think we're going to be able to pull with Bargs.
Two things i don't understand. I remember earlier this season many here were going on about him and wish we could get him. Now he goes to a slow aging team that seems to not fit well with his game and he's not good enough to get in return for......................Bargnani?
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simply another guy that contributes primarily offense. not what we need. i still don't think there's any reason to trade Bargs unless we get back something that is different and that alters the dynamic of the team. with green, it's basically just more of the same. not really a 3, not really a 4, doesn't rebound well because of size, can't score as well as bargs, doesn't score in the paint and is not a great defender. why would we bother?

i've actually almost never seen him play important minutes with the celts. this is based pretty much entirely on what i saw with okc, which is a lot closer to the kind of team we have than what you see in boston - young, athletic and mostly up-tempo.

hell no, only because there's no real value in making this kind of move.
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Better shooter, better scorer, better athlete, more proven, better conditioning from what i can see.I'm far from sold on Johnson, way too early to overrate him.
LOL may as well keep Sonny Weems at the small forward position then. He is just like Weems too when he makes one three then continues to think hes Ray Allen.
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LOL may as well keep Sonny Weems at the small forward position then. He is just like Weems too when he makes one three then continues to think hes Ray Allen.
You're a Bargnani fan so I'm not gonna take much of what you say seriously. And Bargnani for a so called shooter didn't exactly shoot the lights out this season.
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