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Old 05-06-2011, 07:05 PM   #41 (permalink)
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maybe i'm crazy but i will prefer a trade like this for both part :

pierce for barbosa and bargs.

they can keeep green as their SF, they get a big man scorer with barg, who will put some focus with KG to kick hs ass, and barbosa as a backup sg for allen will be awsome for them.

we get a real SF who will imrove immediatly this team.
get ride of Calderon for a bigman and we will be set for next season :

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lol....ya celtics are gonna trade one of the best players in their history...for a 6th man and an average starter at best....
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Old 05-06-2011, 07:08 PM   #42 (permalink)
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This lineup would be worst than the one we have now. Pierce? Come on... hes 34 and washed up, hes on his way out. JJ > Pierce ... we are NOT competing for a championship so it doesn't make sense to bring in pierce.
you sir deserve an epic :facepalm:

probably one of the most ridiculous statements i've ever read on rf....
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have you watched a single celtics game since jeff green got traded?

because hes looks horrible...hes played like bargs, except he lacks the size and isnt as good offensively, and has just as bad defense....
Yes he has, but i stated why i thought that was earlier. He's playing on a slow aging team. It seems like a bad fit. And if Boston decides to start going in a different direction and get a little younger, which they're gonna have to do soon he'll be good for them to hold onto imo. If they continued to stay like this he should be traded, but i can't see the Celtics wanting Bargnani. Green would thrive here imo on a young athletic team, but i'd be shocked if Boston would want Marshmellow man.
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Old 05-06-2011, 07:35 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Lol... this is why most trade proposals on forums are borderline ridiculous.

NO ONE is going to give you polished gems for your trash.... or all-stars for your role players.

I would do Green for Bargs in .0000054 seconds flat.

We get our starting SF for the next few years (a guy who can both score AND defend AND handle the ball) and we rid ourselves of a player who has never truly fit on our squad.

Jeff Green is a solid, young player. He doesn't fit very well with BOS right now because they're a veteran team who have been playing together for YEARS. It takes time to learn their offense and defense. And let's face it.... he's an extra at this point with Pierce and Allen still there. He'd be a surefire starter for us and have the room that he needs to grow. He was fine in OKC... no reason to think that he couldn't be fine for us too.

People thought that Marion was done when he was in Miami.... and then he came here and played very well. Now he's one of the main reasons (along with Chandler) as to why the Mavs are kicking ass and playing better D than ever before.
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Lol... this is why most trade proposals on forums are borderline ridiculous.

NO ONE is going to give you polished gems for your trash.... or all-stars for your role players.


I would do Green for Bargs in .0000054 seconds flat.

We get our starting SF for the next few years (a guy who can both score AND defend AND handle the ball) and we rid ourselves of a player who has never truly fit on our squad.

Jeff Green is a solid, young player. He doesn't fit very well with BOS right now because they're a veteran team who have been playing together for YEARS. It takes time to learn their offense and defense. And let's face it.... he's an extra at this point with Pierce and Allen still there. He'd be a surefire starter for us and have the room that he needs to grow. He was fine in OKC... no reason to think that he couldn't be fine for us too.

People thought that Marion was done when he was in Miami.... and then he came here and played very well. Now he's one of the main reasons (along with Chandler) as to why the Mavs are kicking ass and playing better D than ever before.

You talking like Bargnani is Araujo... He is not trash and Jeff is not the brightest gem. This trade is actually not ridiculous.
I mean wow, the Bargs hate here is going through the roof... So what trade wouldn't be ridiculous? Bargs for Korver or Bibby... Green is not better than Bargs thats for sure.
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Old 05-06-2011, 08:12 PM   #46 (permalink)
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barg's is better at being 7ft tall and thats about it.
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You talking like Bargnani is Araujo... He is not trash and Jeff is not the brightest gem. This trade is actually not ridiculous.
I mean wow, the Bargs hate here is going through the roof... So what trade wouldn't be ridiculous? Bargs for Korver or Bibby... Green is not better than Bargs thats for sure.
For sure? Really? For his career he's a better rebounder and defender then Bargnani and he's 3'' shorter, 20lbs lighter. And this season he had a bit of an off season because imo he doesn't fit in boston (averaged 16ppg in OKC this season) yet his FG% is about the same as Bargnani's. If you're gonna base how good Green is on his short time with Boston then i have to shake my head.
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You talking like Bargnani is Araujo... He is not trash and Jeff is not the brightest gem. This trade is actually not ridiculous.
I mean wow, the Bargs hate here is going through the roof... So what trade wouldn't be ridiculous? Bargs for Korver or Bibby... Green is not better than Bargs thats for sure.
well it is TORAP we are talking about here so it shoudn't surprise u to hear such a comment.....i mean he called green an all-star ffs, and called a 22 ppg trash...both are a first ive ever seen. i mean i understand him not liking Bargs game and all, but trash? cmon thats a little much....hate clouding the judgement.......and somehow he thinks Bosh is an mvp calibre player......there is just some things in life i will never understand.....
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For sure? Really? For his career he's a better rebounder and defender then Bargnani and he's 3'' shorter, 20lbs lighter. And this season he had a bit of an off season because imo he doesn't fit in boston (averaged 16ppg in OKC this season) yet his FG% is about the same as Bargnani's. If you're gonna base how good Green is on his short time with Boston then i have to shake my head.
Bargnani has true position, its PF, but he is forced to play C.
While Green doesn't even have true position. He has no SF foot speed, and has no strength or post game to be PF...
Oh and yes, Bargnani is 4'' taller and thats a big deal...

Not saying Bargnani is better, but he is not worse
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Bargnani has true position, its PF, but he is forced to play C.
While Green doesn't even have true position. He has no SF foot speed, and has no strength or post game to be PF...
Oh and yes, Bargnani is 4'' taller and thats a big deal...

Not saying Bargnani is better, but he is not worse
OK , 4" taller....yet for his career has rebounded worse then Green. lol

And imo Bargs is a 7' SF. He can't rebound, defend or block shots as a big.

Like i said, Boston can get better and they know that. That's why this deal would never happen.
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Watching Josh Smith in the playoffs, I would think that would be the sort of deal that could happen. He's about as frustrating as Bargnani, and maybe wearing out his welcome. I don't know if the Hawks could be persuaded to take on a different sort of frustration altogether. Probably not. And I'm not sure we'd want Josh Smith. But who knows - it's the sort of thing that could happen, and could work for both teams.
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Watching Josh Smith in the playoffs, I would think that would be the sort of deal that could happen. He's about as frustrating as Bargnani, and maybe wearing out his welcome. I don't know if the Hawks could be persuaded to take on a different sort of frustration altogether. Probably not. And I'm not sure we'd want Josh Smith. But who knows - it's the sort of thing that could happen, and could work for both teams.
I would do Bargnani for Josh Smith faster than TORaptor would do Green for Bargnani.

Josh Smith would be a great player for this team- rebounds and defends. Definitely suits a run-and-gun style of play.
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Watching Josh Smith in the playoffs, I would think that would be the sort of deal that could happen. He's about as frustrating as Bargnani, and maybe wearing out his welcome. I don't know if the Hawks could be persuaded to take on a different sort of frustration altogether. Probably not. And I'm not sure we'd want Josh Smith. But who knows - it's the sort of thing that could happen, and could work for both teams.
I just saw him get booed after taking an 18 foot jump shot and was thinking the same thing. But he's a PF. That would mean Amir or Davis would be gone and we'd still need a Center.
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I just saw him get booed after taking an 18 foot jump shot and was thinking the same thing. But he's a PF. That would mean Amir or Davis would be gone and we'd still need a Center.
I think Smith is versatile to play the 3.

Didn't he use to play SF a few years ago?
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I think Smith is versatile to play the 3.

Didn't he use to play SF a few years ago?
No thanks, the way he shoots!
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No thanks, the way he shoots!
Really? Not even for Bargnani?

I think Smith more than makes up with his defence and rebounding. He averages nearly 8 rebounds for his career, 2.2 blocks and 1.2 steals. I honestly can't think of a better return for Bargnani.
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Really? Not even for Bargnani?

I think Smith more than makes up with his defence and rebounding. He averages nearly 8 rebounds for his career, 2.2 blocks and 1.2 steals. I honestly can't think of a better return for Bargnani.
Oh, I'd take him in a heartbeat for Bargnani just not for him to play at SF. But same as boston, Atlanta can get better for Josh Smith unless we throw in Amir and a pick and take back another maybe less desireable player in return with Smith.
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Oh, I'd take him in a heartbeat for Bargnani just not for him to play at SF. But same as boston, Atlanta can get better for Josh Smith unless we throw in Amir and a pick and take back another maybe less desireable player in return with Smith.
I honestly would have no problems with dealing Bargnani, Johnson and a 2nd rounder for Josh Smith. Gives Ed Davis some time at PF, and maybe even allows Reggie to be re-signed.
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lol celtics could use another shooter..
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absolutely not, green is just about to get paid and is at best a sideways step- he's a better defender, but just as inferior on offense. And he struggles as a 3 and is less than ideal at the 4. He doesn't make us any better now, and I can't see a significant part of our future.

Bargnani should only be traded for picks (and filler). I'd rather have a #13 pick than jeff green, at least the pick will make minimal money for the next 4 years, and with a little luck, you get an ed davis there.
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