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Old 05-06-2011, 04:31 PM   #21 (permalink)
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the thing that people need to realize is that Bargnani is NOT the guy that puts the team on his back or step up like some strong force when the rest of the team isn't able. Which is exactly what we have here in Toronto. This team sucks. The talent level is low and the experience and 'bossness' is low. These guys wilt under pressure and just can't compete with the big boys. Andrea is just another guy - albeit with more skill.

You put Bargnani on a team full of bosses... and he will KILL IT.
I think he'd shrivel up like a little girl. With a coach like Rivers and KG on his ass, one of two things would happen. Fall apart or prove he needs to be pushed and he'd succeed. But I don't see him as a player that does well being pressured or pushed.
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the thing that people need to realize is that Bargnani is NOT the guy that puts the team on his back or step up like some strong force when the rest of the team isn't able. Which is exactly what we have here in Toronto. This team sucks. The talent level is low and the experience and 'bossness' is low. These guys wilt under pressure and just can't compete with the big boys. Andrea is just another guy - albeit with more skill.

You put Bargnani on a team full of bosses... and he will KILL IT.
i don't know if i agree with that. he wouldn't start on the celtics unless he plays C and hes against that. off the bench they have big baby.
bargnani is a strange dude. ur right, hes not the guy that carries a team so he's not ur number 1 option. but if he doesn't get his touches hes not effective. so its like....what can you even do with him?
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the thing that people need to realize is that Bargnani is NOT the guy that puts the team on his back or step up like some strong force when the rest of the team isn't able. Which is exactly what we have here in Toronto. This team sucks. The talent level is low and the experience and 'bossness' is low. These guys wilt under pressure and just can't compete with the big boys. Andrea is just another guy - albeit with more skill.

You put Bargnani on a team full of bosses... and he will KILL IT.

+1 so true. I don't think Bargs sucks so much like people enjoy to bitch around. yeah, I wasn't a fan in his first 2 seasons but the kid can play offence to matter what. He is NOT a true C and his position will be more as a PF. Like Dirk in Dallas, but don't forget the players who played around Dirk all this years, including Erick Dampier who was a monster on D back in the day.
And more food for thought that I have read earlier today; Brook Lopez who consider to be one of the better C in the league scores 20.4 PPG, grabs 6.0 RPG and has 1.6 APG... Bargs has 21.4 PPG and 5.2 RPG with 1.8 APG... there MPG is almost the same.... Bargs is an offensive player, we can't expect him to score like D-Wade and defend like Lebron James, he is not in that level, simple as that. And to be honest, I really don't think Bosh is any better that Bargs. Look how his year with the Heat been a rollercoaster. Just my 2 cents
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+1 so true. I don't think Bargs sucks so much like people enjoy to bitch around. yeah, I wasn't a fan in his first 2 seasons but the kid can play offence to matter what. He is NOT a true C and his position will be more as a PF. Like Dirk in Dallas, but don't forget the players who played around Dirk all this years, including Erick Dampier who was a monster on D back in the day.
And more food for thought that I have read earlier today; Brook Lopez who consider to be one of the better C in the league scores 20.4 PPG, grabs 6.0 RPG and has 1.6 APG... Bargs has 21.4 PPG and 5.2 RPG with 1.8 APG... there MPG is almost the same.... Bargs is an offensive player, we can't expect him to score like D-Wade and defend like Lebron James, he is not in that level, simple as that. And to be honest, I really don't think Bosh is any better that Bargs. Look how his year with the Heat been a rollercoaster. Just my 2 cents
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that sentence ruined ur whole post
Pretty much. Lol
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Old 05-06-2011, 05:08 PM   #26 (permalink)
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that sentence ruined ur whole post
I wouldn't say it ruined the post but Bosh on the Raps was a 20/10 guy and and played with some energy. Ironically, I'd have to say that Bargs would have been much better suited on this current Miami team than Bosh. Only because of Bargs' 3pt shot and better slashing ability than Bosh.
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For the record i don't think Bargnani is all that good, but you put him on a good team (or an awesome team like the Celts) and he will look a hell of a lot better than he does here. That was my initial point.
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Old 05-06-2011, 05:18 PM   #28 (permalink)
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For the record i don't think Bargnani is all that good, but you put him on a good team (or an awesome team like the Celts) and he will look a hell of a lot better than he does here. That was my initial point.
Maybe. But less shots, more accountability, tougher coach, held accountable by teammates like KG. I think he'd frustrate them to no end. Never know though.
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In a heartbeat. Can anyone imagine Bargnani playing with KG?
lmfao that would be good
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that sentence ruined ur whole post
They are both PF, when Bosh was here all balls were his in the last few minutes of close games.... time after time I remeber him losing them (not to mention that he didn't even shoot them).
Bosh like Bargs cannot lead a team, he has his run and it didn't work in Toronto, simple as that.
I think Bosh was very stable compore to Bargs but I don't think you can say he was better. they are both PF but very different styles.
Bosh could score better from mid-range, while Bargs is much better from downtown. Bosh COULD NOT take players to the rim, while Bargs does this better in the last 2 years. They both have their pros and cons, Playing next to D-Wade and James is not that difficult to say the least.
And one last thing that people MUST remeber. Bosh didn't wanne be here, while Bargs wants to stay. It's sad that we can't keep our good players, but it is what it is.
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maybe i'm crazy but i will prefer a trade like this for both part :

pierce for barbosa and bargs.

they can keeep green as their SF, they get a big man scorer with barg, who will put some focus with KG to kick hs ass, and barbosa as a backup sg for allen will be awsome for them.

we get a real SF who will imrove immediatly this team.
get ride of Calderon for a bigman and we will be set for next season :

bayless/draft
DD/weems
pierce/JJ/kleiza
davis/amir/evans
Trade calderon/dorsey/alabi
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They are both PF, when Bosh was here all balls were his in the last few minutes of close games.... time after time I remeber him losing them (not to mention that he didn't even shoot them).
Bosh like Bargs cannot lead a team, he has his run and it didn't work in Toronto, simple as that.
I think Bosh was very stable compore to Bargs but I don't think you can say he was better. they are both PF but very different styles.
Bosh could score better from mid-range, while Bargs is much better from downtown. Bosh COULD NOT take players to the rim, while Bargs does this better in the last 2 years. They both have their pros and cons, Playing next to D-Wade and James is not that difficult to say the least.
And one last thing that people MUST remeber. Bosh didn't wanne be here, while Bargs wants to stay. It's sad that we can't keep our good players, but it is what it is.
dude....just stop. ur digging urself a deeper hole with this post trying to back up ur previous one.
this just proves u have no idea what ur talking about...
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maybe i'm crazy but i will prefer a trade like this for both part :

pierce for barbosa and bargs.

they can keeep green as their SF, they get a big man scorer with barg, who will put some focus with KG to kick hs ass, and barbosa as a backup sg for allen will be awsome for them.

we get a real SF who will imrove immediatly this team.
get ride of Calderon for a bigman and we will be set for next season :

bayless/draft
DD/weems
pierce/JJ/kleiza
davis/amir/evans
Trade calderon/dorsey/alabi
Pierce bleeds Celtic green. He was drafted a Celtic and he'll retire a Celtic.
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maybe i'm crazy but i will prefer a trade like this for both part :

pierce for barbosa and bargs.

they can keeep green as their SF, they get a big man scorer with barg, who will put some focus with KG to kick hs ass, and barbosa as a backup sg for allen will be awsome for them.

we get a real SF who will imrove immediatly this team.
get ride of Calderon for a bigman and we will be set for next season :

bayless/draft
DD/weems
pierce/JJ/kleiza
davis/amir/evans
Trade calderon/dorsey/alabi
This lineup would be worst than the one we have now. Pierce? Come on... hes 34 and washed up, hes on his way out. JJ > Pierce ... we are NOT competing for a championship so it doesn't make sense to bring in pierce.
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maybe i'm crazy but i will prefer a trade like this for both part :

pierce for barbosa and bargs.

they can keeep green as their SF, they get a big man scorer with barg, who will put some focus with KG to kick hs ass, and barbosa as a backup sg for allen will be awsome for them.

we get a real SF who will imrove immediatly this team.
get ride of Calderon for a bigman and we will be set for next season :

bayless/draft
DD/weems
pierce/JJ/kleiza
davis/amir/evans
Trade calderon/dorsey/alabi
Yeah, you r crazy... Geez, Boston would never trade Pierce, and why in the world Raptors needs him? Thats bullshit, he is 33 years old, Raps not contending, raps need young players, not old egoists. Pierce would improve this team, but whats the point, shittier place in draft lottery...
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dude....just stop. ur digging urself a deeper hole with this post trying to back up ur previous one.
this just proves u have no idea what ur talking about...
Whatever, but this is how I see it.
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If Bargs got traded to Boston I'd leave this forum and join the Boston one, he'd look good being used in a proper role, only problem being, those fucking morons traded Perkins.. I still can't believe that, stupid stupid stupid..
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i was just saying i would prefer a pierce trade than a green trade.
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So they trade away Perkins, then go after a softy like Bargnani? Man I wish, but they wouldn't be that stupid.
have you watched a single celtics game since jeff green got traded?

because hes looks horrible...hes played like bargs, except he lacks the size and isnt as good offensively, and has just as bad defense....
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