Bargnani: Its hard for me to score without Chris Bosh
Old 04-08-2010, 02:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Andrea Bargnani admitted that it's tough for him to score when Chris Bosh is out of the lineup.


"It's the first time that they double-team me. I'm not used to it," Bargnani said. The former No. 1 overall pick better get used to it. Bosh is done for the regular season and he is the free agent most likely to change teams this summer. He'd be wise to improve his shooting off the dribble and in the post, a la Dirk Nowitzki.
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That's an old quote.... and he also said if Bosh leaves, someone else will come in.... no story here.
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Even if so, he's right. Take the primary option out of any team and of course it becomes difficult to score. Especially for a guy who hasn't seen defensive schemes meant to cover him.

Some guys transition to it easily others don't. Not even Chris had a smooth transition. Takes time.
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It took Bosh a few seasons to learn how to really learn how to deal with double teams and even now he struggles making the right play at times. Doubles are tough and like anything else you have to see them on a consistent basis in order to get used to them.
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I guess Bargnani doesn't have to get used to chucking long balls at least.
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I'd expect him to be pretty familiar with that at this point, yeah.
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Really noticing lately that Bargs is really bad at shooting the jump shot while in forward motion. You can see there's no soft touch to his release when he lets it go. It's too much of a stiff armed, brick heaving motion. His shots on the move all have to much weight on them. He needs to practice shooting way more in motion and not just the set shots. When you in motion, it's almost all wrist action and almost no arms. All his shots in motion are way to heavy and don't have enough backspin. One of the best shooters in motion on the Raptors is Demar, he has alot of softness to his shots even when in mmotion.
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I've said this before and I'll say it again. Without Bosh Bargs is nothing. Bargs needs someone to have all the attention on them. Bargs can only be a 2nd option. If he isn't other teams just zero in on him and then Bargs can't do anything. If Bosh leaves next season, we'll have to find a first option cuz if not we will see a lot of games like yesterday
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I've said this before and I'll say it again. Without Bosh Bargs is nothing. Bargs needs someone to have all the attention on them. Bargs can only be a 2nd option. If he isn't other teams just zero in on him and then Bargs can't do anything. If Bosh leaves next season, we'll have to find a first option cuz if not we will see a lot of games like yesterday
Sorry Gurk. In a perfect world Bargnani could seamlessly transition from being a full-time second option and never having to deal with a double team to the first offensive option, picking apart double teams with passing and exploiting single coverages. But this isn't a perfect world. How can you expect him to consistently and effectively react to double teams if he's never seen one before?

He has the talent to be the first option on a team, that I'm confident of, but the system needs to be tailored to him and he has to have time getting acclimated to that role. You can't tell me that those shots he's been missing the past few games you haven't seen him make before. His shot hasn't been dropping, but that doesn't have as much to do with Chris Bosh as it does with Andrea himself.

I'm not saying Chris Bosh doesn't help Andrea get his game off, because I think both players feed off of the other, but this isn't all about Chris.
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I've said this before and I'll say it again. Without Bosh Bargs is nothing. Bargs needs someone to have all the attention on them. Bargs can only be a 2nd option. If he isn't other teams just zero in on him and then Bargs can't do anything. If Bosh leaves next season, we'll have to find a first option cuz if not we will see a lot of games like yesterday
Bosh learned how to deal with the double-team...Bargnani can learn. It's not an easy thing to do. It will take time...and if Bosh does walk it's going to be tops on his list of off-season training regimends.
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That's an old quote.... and he also said if Bosh leaves, someone else will come in.... no story here.
He also said that he'd be upset if Bosh leaves.
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Sorry Gurk. In a perfect world Bargnani could seamlessly transition from being a full-time second option and never having to deal with a double team to the first offensive option, picking apart double teams with passing and exploiting single coverages. But this isn't a perfect world. How can you expect him to consistently and effectively react to double teams if he's never seen one before?

He has the talent to be the first option on a team, that I'm confident of, but the system needs to be tailored to him and he has to have time getting acclimated to that role. You can't tell me that those shots he's been missing the past few games you haven't seen him make before. His shot hasn't been dropping, but that doesn't have as much to do with Chris Bosh as it does with Andrea himself.

I'm not saying Chris Bosh doesn't help Andrea get his game off, because I think both players feed off of the other, but this isn't all about Chris.
Andrea has the talent but he dosn't have the drive or the mentality to do it. He's way too soft and non-aggresive.
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Look at your shooting chart from yesterday (Red and White dots, white showing what he didn't make, red ones showing what he did make, that they show on tv).

That's why you cant fkn score. And you never pass either. You think everytime you get the ball, you're supposed to shoot.
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Look at your shooting chart from yesterday (Red and White dots, white showing what he didn't make, red ones showing what he did make, that they show on tv).

That's why you cant fkn score. And you never pass either. You think everytime you get the ball, you're supposed to shoot.
I'd rather have Bosh shoot it then anybody else. Except maybe Weems.
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Sorry Gurk. In a perfect world Bargnani could seamlessly transition from being a full-time second option and never having to deal with a double team to the first offensive option, picking apart double teams with passing and exploiting single coverages. But this isn't a perfect world. How can you expect him to consistently and effectively react to double teams if he's never seen one before?

He has the talent to be the first option on a team, that I'm confident of, but the system needs to be tailored to him and he has to have time getting acclimated to that role. You can't tell me that those shots he's been missing the past few games you haven't seen him make before. His shot hasn't been dropping, but that doesn't have as much to do with Chris Bosh as it does with Andrea himself.

I'm not saying Chris Bosh doesn't help Andrea get his game off, because I think both players feed off of the other, but this isn't all about Chris.
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Bosh learned how to deal with the double-team...Bargnani can learn. It's not an easy thing to do. It will take time...and if Bosh does walk it's going to be tops on his list of off-season training regimends.
I agree with both of you. I know he can do it but he had already had so many games to show us and so far he hasn't proved to me that he'll be able to do it in a little while. IMO it'll take him 1/4-1/2 a season D
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I'd rather have Bosh shoot it then anybody else. Except maybe Weems.
Im not saying he shouldnt shoot, I'm saying his shot selection is beyond terrible.
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I'd rather have Bosh shoot it then anybody else. Except maybe Weems.
I love how Weems has turned into a God on this board after a few good games and a surprising season. Hes a bench player people. A good one, but saying youd rather see Weems shoot over Bosh is idiotic. Bosh is one of the more efficient players in the league despite the attention he gets.
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I love how Weems has turned into a God on this board after a few good games and a surprising season. Hes a bench player people. A good one, but saying youd rather see Weems shoot over Bosh is idiotic. Bosh is one of the more efficient players in the league despite the attention he gets.
This is true..... but you (being perhaps Weems' biggest critic) have to give the kid some credit.

"D-leaguer"?

"12th man"?

Not even close. He's EARNED his way into the starting job and has played great basketball for us all season long. Considering he's still practically a rookie that's VERY impressive. Of course he hasn't been perfect, but he's definitely been a bright spot for us. And it wouldn't be a stretch at all to see him grow into a full-time starter if he keeps working hard.
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He also said that he'd be upset if Bosh leaves.
Really? When did he say this?

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Sorry Gurk. In a perfect world Bargnani could seamlessly transition from being a full-time second option and never having to deal with a double team to the first offensive option, picking apart double teams with passing and exploiting single coverages. But this isn't a perfect world. How can you expect him to consistently and effectively react to double teams if he's never seen one before?

He has the talent to be the first option on a team, that I'm confident of, but the system needs to be tailored to him and he has to have time getting acclimated to that role.
You can't tell me that those shots he's been missing the past few games you haven't seen him make before. His shot hasn't been dropping, but that doesn't have as much to do with Chris Bosh as it does with Andrea himself.

I'm not saying Chris Bosh doesn't help Andrea get his game off, because I think both players feed off of the other, but this isn't all about Chris.
Exactly, Andrea needs a system that is tailored to him and this system needs to incorporate players who will move the defense away from him so he can take his jumpers without getting double teamed. The only way to do that is to have another offensive threat on the floor or two other offensive threats on the floor spreading the D wide and clearing up room for Andrea.

In a way I fear it might as well be all about Chris for Andrea, if Andrea actually came out and said he would be upset if Chris left then there is some truth to that. It is going to hinder his playing style when Chris leaves and it is going to also hinder his confidence. Lately his confidence has not been at best, esp. after Chris's first injury about a month ago. His shot not really there anymore, jumpers he used to make are not falling anymore as tvett6 below pointed out. All in all like you said Andrea is going to have to take some time to get accustomed to be double teamed by opposition D and this might severly impact his confidence as it has as of late with Chris Bosh Injuries.

And who knows if he can even get accustomed to that, all this time he has had the luxury of letting Bosh absorb the D while he was left to run with some space, now thats going to change and defenses are going to collapse on him this might impact his game negatively for some time to come and he might loose confidence more. Andrea is facing "the dip" right now and if he can pull himself out of this he will become more stronger and more capable, but if he cant I fear he might washout

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Really noticing lately that Bargs is really bad at shooting the jump shot while in forward motion. You can see there's no soft touch to his release when he lets it go. It's too much of a stiff armed, brick heaving motion. His shots on the move all have to much weight on them. He needs to practice shooting way more in motion and not just the set shots. When you in motion, it's almost all wrist action and almost no arms. All his shots in motion are way to heavy and don't have enough backspin. One of the best shooters in motion on the Raptors is Demar, he has alot of softness to his shots even when in mmotion.

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