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Old 09-16-2011, 12:43 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Old 09-16-2011, 02:07 PM   #62 (permalink)
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I still think his waning intensity is the result of knowing that a high intensity still will not be enough, and when it has been there he has looked that much more hapless. He has moments while defending, where he resembles Pee Wee Herman dancing to Tequila, bouncing from one foot to another and moving his arms to deflect a pass and then up to where he is contesting a possible shot. He's a whirlwind of motion and not lacking in focus or intensity, but still largely ineffective, and it only illustrates how far he has to go just to give himself a chance.

Reaction time is his great weakness, as it was with Dirk early on. Everybody else on the floor is going to get to the ball before he does, and when recognizing the need to help from the weak side, the best he is going to do is be too late for anything other than looking bad. I think that would make it hard to show intensity and focus regularly. It's a bit of a chicken and egg argument, but after 5 years it looks like he's more deficient than just lacking focus and intensity to my eyes. And if I'm wrong it would just mean that there would be enough reason to hate on him like crazy anyway.
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Old 09-16-2011, 07:15 PM   #63 (permalink)
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I still think his waning intensity is the result of knowing that a high intensity still will not be enough, and when it has been there he has looked that much more hapless. He has moments while defending, where he resembles Pee Wee Herman dancing to Tequila, bouncing from one foot to another and moving his arms to deflect a pass and then up to where he is contesting a possible shot. He's a whirlwind of motion and not lacking in focus or intensity, but still largely ineffective, and it only illustrates how far he has to go just to give himself a chance.

Reaction time is his great weakness, as it was with Dirk early on. Everybody else on the floor is going to get to the ball before he does, and when recognizing the need to help from the weak side, the best he is going to do is be too late for anything other than looking bad. I think that would make it hard to show intensity and focus regularly. It's a bit of a chicken and egg argument, but after 5 years it looks like he's more deficient than just lacking focus and intensity to my eyes. And if I'm wrong it would just mean that there would be enough reason to hate on him like crazy anyway.
My thoughts about Bargs summed up nicely. Anyway, is this horse dead yet?
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Old 09-16-2011, 07:33 PM   #64 (permalink)
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My thoughts about Bargs summed up nicely. Anyway, is this horse dead yet?
This will never be a :deadhorse: until Bargs is either an allstar or dead
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Old 09-17-2011, 11:14 AM   #65 (permalink)
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This will never be a :deadhorse: until Bargs is either an allstar or dead
i'll give him a third option of retirement
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Old 09-17-2011, 02:24 PM   #66 (permalink)
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I still think his waning intensity is the result of knowing that a high intensity still will not be enough.
As far as the definition of a loser in sports, I think that about does it.

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Old 09-17-2011, 06:27 PM   #67 (permalink)
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So is Ray Bourque just a loser his entire career if he doesn't win a cup with the avs in the last year?

And if Bargs does suceed in some way this year is he going to get any credit, or is everyone just going to credit the coach?

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Old 09-17-2011, 09:40 PM   #68 (permalink)
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So is Ray Bourque just a loser his entire career if he doesn't win a cup with the avs in the last year?

And if Bargs does suceed in some way this year is he going to get any credit, or is everyone just going to credit the coach?
Ray is interesting and did what he and most thought would be to solidify his career and win the cup. First thing he did was take the cup back to Boston. Too bad he couldn't win it in Boston though...if he had he would be remembered as a legend - not that he won't be but that cup meant a lot to him - as it does to all winners so he chased it. It is crazy to think it but winning the cup in Boston would have meant more than winning it in Colorado but winning the cup period meant something to him and thats what matters.

Bargs.....unlike Ray hasn't lived up to his potential. Ray was a perennial all star, set records, made players around him better and such. Bargs' hasn't done anything yet on the highest level except generate disappointment - but in comparison to Ray, maybe where he's at is where he's happy. Maybe he doesn't have that push inside to overcome.

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Old 09-18-2011, 12:36 PM   #69 (permalink)
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Ray is interesting and did what he and most thought would be to solidify his career and win the cup. First thing he did was take the cup back to Boston. Too bad he couldn't win it in Boston though...if he had he would be remembered as a legend - not that he won't be but that cup meant a lot to him - as it does to all winners so he chased it. It is crazy to think it but winning the cup in Boston would have meant more than winning it in Colorado but winning the cup period meant something to him and thats what matters.

Bargs.....unlike Ray hasn't lived up to his potential. Ray was a perennial all star, set records, made players around him better and such. Bargs' hasn't done anything yet on the highest level except generate disappointment - but in comparison to Ray, maybe where he's at is where he's happy. Maybe he doesn't have that push inside to overcome.
AB didn't set his expectations... maybe it was foolish to expect him to be Dirk Nowitzki? The fact that he's still being compared to him while making half his salary is beyond ridiculous.
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What an asinine comparison.
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Old 09-18-2011, 10:26 PM   #71 (permalink)
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AB didn't set his expectations... maybe it was foolish to expect him to be Dirk Nowitzki? The fact that he's still being compared to him while making half his salary is beyond ridiculous.
True that....I don`t think he has any for himself.

I had fleeting hopes that he could a Dirk-lite but he`s missing the above.
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Old 09-19-2011, 01:15 AM   #72 (permalink)
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What an asinine comparison.
Agreed how can any hockey player be compared with any basketball player.

Even Jordan can not be compared to Gretzky.
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What an asinine comparison.

good use of the word "asinine," love that word!
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Old 09-19-2011, 10:49 AM   #74 (permalink)
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Agreed how can any hockey player be compared with any basketball player.

Even Jordan can not be compared to Gretzky.

Kind of, but...


Ray Bourque is arguably one of the top five at his position in the history of his sport. He also came into the league and was a force right from his rookie season until the end of his career and was the driving force behind his team's success. Had he not won a cup, I highly doubt it would diminish his greatness or his legacy. Much in the way it doesn't really diminish the legacies of Barkley, Ewing, Stockton, Malone, etc. Andrea is never going to be on that level in his respective sport and thus it is silly to compare the two.

As an aside, it wouldn't be that hard to compare Jordan to Gretzky.

Who had the bigger impact on their respective sport both in North America and globally?
Who had the bigger impact on their respective teams?
Who was a better baseball player?
Who's a better golfer?
Which had the cooler ProStars character?
Who had the funnier episode of SNL?
Which of the two has the more successful offspring?
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Who was a better baseball player?
Well, by that criterion I have to give it to Gretzky.
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Old 09-19-2011, 03:38 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Old 09-19-2011, 10:07 PM   #77 (permalink)
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Ya well I wasn't the one that said you need to win a championship to be a winner. So my point is hardly assinine (sp).

And the answer to all your questions is Gretzky for sure, and probabaly to the baseball one if he tried.

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Ya well I wasn't the one that said you need to win a championship to be a winner. So my point is hardly assinine (sp).

And the answer to all your questions is Gretzky for sure, and probabaly to the baseball one if he tried.
actually, asinine is the correct spelling.
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And the answer to all your questions is Gretzky for sure, and probabaly to the baseball one if he tried.
i'm not sure about this part. America - sure. Globally? i dont think so

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Who had the bigger impact on their respective sport both in North America and globally?
outside North America, Jordan helped push basketball into a ton of markets where noone cared about it before.
People would find out about basketball from the Jordan / looney toons cartoon, Jordan / michael Jackson video clip, commercials, and so on.

When it comes to hockey, I don't think that Gretzky's global impact was anything like that.
In the countries where hockey's big now it was kind of big before Gretzky.
There were huge local stars. Soviets had Makarov and the whole CSKA dynasty.
Scandinavia and especially Sweden had their golden generations.
Czechs went nuts with hockey a little later, but that's got more to do with Jagr being awesome than with outside marketing.

And so on.

Gretzky to me is more like Kobe globally. Dominant, popular, marketable. But when he's entering China, he's entering a place that went nuts watching Yao. He's not really doing much pioneering.
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actually, asinine is the correct spelling.
Ummm....That's why it had an sp beside it.
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