Bargnani Getting It?
Old 11-29-2011, 10:51 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Seems Casey has put the fear into Bargs. I guess Bargs is usually pretty good with staying in shape over the summer, but a good sign nonetheless.

Bargnani starting to get it | Basketball | Sports | Toronto Sun

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Andrea Bargnani doesn’t want to talk about it, but the big man is in great shape as the season finally approaches.

Quietly, Bargnani, who has been knocked in the past for not always being the first player to arrive in the gym and the last to leave, has been in Toronto for the past few weeks undergoing vigorous individual workouts.
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According to a source present or with knowledge of all of Bargnani’s workouts this month, the big man has dropped some weight and is moving extremely well.
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Old 11-29-2011, 11:11 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 11-29-2011, 11:13 AM   #3 (permalink)
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This is good to hear, I just hope hes not utilized as the number one option on offense again.
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Some of it may be due to his belief that he'll be playing less C and more PF.... I think he bulked up (not necessarily muscle either) to handle the load at the C position.

Again, if he's lighter on his feet, quicker with his first steps, all the better for this team..... hopefully this new coaching staff actually gives direction both individually and as a team which seems to have been missing in years past. Too much was assumed in my opinion and too many were uncertain of roles and expectations. Here's to some hope for Casey and his fresh approach!

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This is good to hear, I just hope hes not utilized as the number one option on offense again.
Until DD proves he can be a number one option, it's likely that he will be..... and nobody else has shown to be capable either. If you'd like, he can be the number two option and we just won't have a number one.... just slide them all down!

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This is good to hear, I just hope hes not utilized as the number one option on offense again.
He's going to be option 1a or 1b, there's not really anyone other then DD on the team that is reliable enough to contribute to his levels regularly.
His offense is fine, we need his defense to be useful.
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This is good to hear, I just hope hes not utilized as the number one option on offense again.
Let me guess....James Johnson for our #1 option?
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This is good to hear, I just hope hes not utilized as the number one option on offense again.
If he is in shape & suddenly plays good to solid defense, what does it matter if he is the number one option?
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Until DD proves he can be a number one option, it's likely that he will be..... and nobody else has shown to be capable either. If you'd like, he can be the number two option and we just won't have a number one.... just slide them all down!

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Old 11-29-2011, 01:44 PM   #12 (permalink)
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being in shape was never the issue with bargnani. he's always had the physical attributes. it was his mentality, his lack of effort and being a pussy on defence. thats why Raptors fans are on him all the time, cuz its all right there. so while its nice to see he's in the gym, until something clicks in his head, which we won't know until we finally see a game, i'm not going to make too much of this.
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being in shape was never the issue with bargnani. he's always had the physical attributes. it was his mentality, his lack of effort and being a pussy on defence. thats why Raptors fans are on him all the time, cuz its all right there. so while its nice to see he's in the gym, until something clicks in his head, which we won't know until we finally see a game, i'm not going to make too much of this.
many actually complained about his conditioning last year....
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many actually complained about his conditioning last year....
people try to come up with there explanation of what could it be all the time. which shows you how much of an engima he is. you had a new theory after every game basically on these boards. conditioning may have something to do with it. but Bargnani has always been this way, before the NBA and now 6 year (?) "vet", this is the only Bargnani we know. so unless people think his conditioning has always been bad....

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being in shape was never the issue with bargnani. he's always had the physical attributes. it was his mentality, his lack of effort and being a pussy on defence. thats why Raptors fans are on him all the time, cuz its all right there. so while its nice to see he's in the gym, until something clicks in his head, which we won't know until we finally see a game, i'm not going to make too much of this.
I totally agree. I was watching a Chicago vs Raps game last year, Bargnani was attempting to box out Noah, both guys have almost the exact same body type, but one guy gets it and the other guy doesn't.
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people try to come up with there explanation of what could it be all the time. which shows you how much of an engima he is. you had a new theory after every game basically on these boards. conditioning may have something to do with it. but Bargnani has always been this way, before the NBA and now 6 year (?) "vet", this is the only Bargnani we know. so unless people think his conditioning has always been bad....
His conditioning hasn't been bad at all and I agree with another post as well that his bulking up to play C made him look soft and losing weight is great (of course that hot girlfriend of his sure helps to motivate)

Anyways, Bargs and DD will be 1 and 2 and vice versa depending on the night. This is Bargs year to play D and TBH it's getting difficult sometimes reading how Bargs is the reason for the raps' defensive woes. Not that people are saying he is the sole reason but the wording can certainly lead to interpret that. Not easy for a 7'er to defend against perimeter players blowing past every other raptor as they drive to the basket and not pick-up ticky tack BS fouls.

IMO I think this year is going to be more about what Casey can do than anything else.
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I totally agree. I was watching a Chicago vs Raps game last year, Bargnani was attempting to box out Noah, both guys have almost the exact same body type, but one guy gets it and the other guy doesn't.
What is this 'get it'? Bargs has gotten it at every other level he's played at and won - till now. I'm as frustrated as anyone and Barg's has let me down with his performance. However in the end I blame bargs, style of play, coaching and systemic issues. To me, it seems that for the first time all 4 have been addressed at the same time. Makes me excited for the year and hopeful.
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His conditioning hasn't been bad at all and I agree with another post as well that his bulking up to play C made him look soft and losing weight is great (of course that hot girlfriend of his sure helps to motivate)

Anyways, Bargs and DD will be 1 and 2 and vice versa depending on the night. This is Bargs year to play D and TBH it's getting difficult sometimes reading how Bargs is the reason for the raps' defensive woes. Not that people are saying he is the sole reason but the wording can certainly lead to interpret that. Not easy for a 7'er to defend against perimeter players blowing past every other raptor as they drive to the basket and not pick-up ticky tack BS fouls.

IMO I think this year is going to be more about what Casey can do than anything else.
i don't like this at all. its always been about passing along responsibilities when it comes to bargnani. when is he going to take full responsibility? its always what the team can do to help Bargnani out when its suppose to be what Bargnani can do to help the team out. saying this year is more about what a new coach on a bad team can do?? how about putting the same type of expectations on bargnani?? ridiculous....

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Old 11-29-2011, 03:34 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I agree that it's not about him getting it at all. He succeeded in the euroleague where he did not require quite the same reaction time for a variety of reasons. He succeeds in the NBA as well, when up against very predictable half-court offenses with slower bigs. Now put him in a situation where he needs to beat quicker players to a spot, or get to where he needs to be in help situations in a timely manner, and it's not going to happen. He's going to look bad. He's going to look worse than he really is. But that is what happens when the reaction time just isn't up to par. Dirk worked insanely hard for just that reason. The question is whether Bargnani has it in him to put in that kind of work, and whether that would still be enough, since Dirk has a little more natural athleticism to begin with.
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I really don't give a rat's ass how many points her scores.... it's the rebounds and blocks that I want.

I'd take a 15/13/3 game any day over a 27/3/0 game.

And with no Reggie Evans here anymore to "steal his rebounds" I'm expecting that it shouldn't be much of a chore.
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