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is back baby
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But just the same it doesnt matter how hard a player tries if they have no idea where to be or what to do in certain situations on the court, and the most of these guys have never really been taught defense. |
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not here
Tolerate my english
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![]() He's often guarding opposite 4, he's the one going out contesting shots when rotation is late, he's not the one battling under the rim.
Hey, he's a PF! Just put a PF beside his name in the boxscore and magically he'll be doind (not that good, ok) what a pf should do on D ![]() |
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![]() Every two weeks somebody new starts a new thread bashing AB.... it's a freaking rebuilding year.... and he's by far not the only poor defender on the team..... get over it.... calling for his trade is pointless and foolish at this time. So much hate... where is the patience and positive outlook for this team? No wonder Colangelo never wanted to rebuild, listening to all the whining would drive someone mad.
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lol
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He just doesn't do it man, he's a puss most of the time. That being said though, I thought he played a great game against the Bulls on the defensive end with great intensity, minus a few horrible defensive plays. Since I think Bargs is here to stay, we'll see how he does when we have a better defender at the point, and maybe the three. |
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Gam zeh ya'avor
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#28 (permalink) |
is pounding the rock!
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![]() Our team has almost no defensive talent at all. All of our starters except James Johnson are below average defenders. Theres no way a starting rotation like that is going to be successful on defence even with a good coach. We need to improve our defence at all of the positions to become successful.
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in da club
Bla bla
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![]() In Toronto starting five who are the good individual and team defenders? Calderon? Derozan? Why the opponents penetrate easily? Why they create easy one vs one near the rim? Andrea is always the last, the one posterized, he is our best player and so everybody focus their anger on him, but it's very superficial. You all love Derozan now. When Bargnani won't be here (I hope soon, as Andrea's fan) and DD will be a 20ppg player, you gonna hate him. That's the angry fan way of thinking.
Yes, Andrea is not a good defender. But he balances with great offensive skills and scoring many points. Can you say the same for our other players? No. |
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whatever
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![]() if we get 4 very good defensive players at the positions, you can probably get by with bargnani's shortcomings, he's a bad defender in some scenarios, but he can do a decent job in others. Good defensive teams know how to hide deficiencies and emphasize stregnths.
Short of that, Bargnani can't be a part of a good team despite his amazing offensive skills. This season he's turned into one of the best offensive big men in the league (4s and 5s). Despite the fact that we have almost no 3pt shooters and no second option on offense (demar barely qualifies for that role in 2011 and was useless in the first two months), he manages to score quite a lot of points with a decent TS%. If he had better shot selection, his TS% could easily be elite, but he destroys his percentages with those occasional 5 for 17 nights games ... But again, as good as he is on offense, it will be very difficult to build an elite defensive team around him (and you can't win a title if you're not at least top 10 in defense). Not saying it can't be done, but it might be a easier to trade him. It really depends on what his market is out there. |
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is.....
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is pounding the rock!
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On a biological note, you cut the snake's head where the brain resides. The team needs a new mentality. No defense accountability but all the offensive touches. Time to cut off the brain, time to cut off Bargnani. |
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a baller
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![]() Bargnani doesn't have his head in the game defensively unless he's playing with some passion offensively.
He has to play with the type of emotion he played with against the Heat every single night. That's what all-stars do. Unfortunately it seems most nights that he is concerned with his performance offensively and not winning. When his shots aren't falling, his head just isn't in the game and he's completely unreliable. And to be honest, even when his shots are falling he's often unreliable. Bad defense isn't the problem, it's the unreliability on defense. If you're a bad defender but your teammates can rely on you for effort and focus, they can make up for it. You can have the 4 best defenders in the world, and if the 5th one is completely unreliable, they aren't winning anything. Steve Nash, Dirk Nowitzki...some would call these guys bad defenders and they might be right. But they're reliable defenders. Last edited by bjjs; 02-27-2011 at 12:22 PM. |
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effin' ineffable
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![]() good point. Watch Dirk tonight. He's not going to scare anyone too much. But his head is going to be on where he should be. He is going to be sure to see his man and the ball. That allows for other good defenders to look good. Bargnani has spent five years making other defenders look bad.
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is pounding the rock!
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![]() I've been a Bargs supporter since his first day with the Raps. My issue with Bargs isn't his offense or defense ... it's simple for me - his effort and aggression needs to be at full throtle for him to become an effective starter. This won't make him an elite defender, but at least he will contribute with the correct passion expected of any starter on an elite team. I also want to mention that I've noticed a tick up in his intensity the last 2 games on both ends of the court.
If he can demonstrate this behavioral requirement thru to year end ... he is then a keeper. If not, this behavioral problem will continue to be a cancer if he is a starter. He then is only suited to being a gun slinger as a 6th man on a good team. |
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DD and AB bringing their best stuff every game will go a long way toward this team being a competitive one... |
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is too lazy to respond, you win
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the only thing that has got better is his spectating on defence. |
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![]() bargs just doesn't give the effort, if he actually tried maybe it would make more of a difference. take jose for example, hes been trying hard on defense and even though he gets burnt once in a while he is less of a liability than he has been the past few seasons.
we need to move Bargs to the bench, he can still give us 20 points a night. |
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