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@BaileysBlitz 12-11-2012 10:17 AM

Bargnani on being in trade rumors: "who else would you blame?"
 
Raptors? Bargnani not bothered by trade rumors. Does anything bother him? | ProBasketballTalk

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No, of course it doesn’t affect me, but I think it does make sense on this team,” he said. “Who else would you blame? I don’t really know what you want me to answer….

“Of course I hear the trade rumours,” he said. “But trades are part of the job. Since the first day I joined this team seven years ago, I knew I could be traded. That’s the reality. From Day 1 you know that can happen at any time.” - Andrea Bargnani
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Now in his seventh season, Bargnani is averaging 16.8 points a game but on just 39.9 percent shooting overall and 32.6 percent from three. Add to that he doesn’t really rebound well and doesn’t defend much, and you have quite the player. So of course Raptors fans — and management — want to move him.

But he has two years and $22 million left on his contract AFTER this season. So, good luck finding a trade partner.
I'm not sure if he's being sarcastic,suggesting that everybody is playing terrible,not just him or simply just doesn't give a bleep. I'm disappointed though because I never hear any accountability from this guy who's supposed to be one of the better players on this roster and someone who's been here for almost 7 years now. I know Bargs isn't the most vocal but it would good to hear " I need to be better,my team is relying on me and I need to find ways to effect the game even if my shots not falling". What's so hard about that,even if he doesn't mean it deep down? At least act like you give a s***. His reluctance towards being a leader and nonchalant attitude is a huge contribution towards why this team has a losing culture. Dwayne Casey's running around calling Andrea "the hub" but Bargs doesn't seem to be embracing that position or responsibility that comes with it on and off the court. This guy needs to be traded as soon as possible,for whatever you can get that is reasonable,at this point. Even if its considered to be selling low,the Raps need a change in their aura and it starts with Il Mago.

creative1mm 12-11-2012 10:20 AM

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carp 12-11-2012 10:21 AM

You've never heard him say he needs to be better? You're just looking to call him out. He's admitted it plenty of times.

They guy is just cool, calm and collected... why hate on him for not being chicken little.

LX 12-11-2012 10:25 AM

He knows before he steps on the court that he needs to be ready for anything. So he's surely not going to let any trade talk bother him. He just needs to get his Primo feedbag on. What don't people get about that?

@BaileysBlitz 12-11-2012 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by carp (Post 719231)
You've never heard him say he needs to be better? You're just looking to call him out. He's admitted it plenty of times.

They guy is just cool, calm and collected... why hate on him for not being chicken little.

Maybe I don't read enough post game reports or listen to/watch enough post game interviews,but I can't recall anything like that recently. I hear him say he doesn't worry about his shot and things of that nature but that's about it. I just think during this difficult time,its a good opportunity to show his worth but he's coming up short,which makes it easier for people to be frustrated with him

carp 12-11-2012 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by @BaileysBlitz (Post 719234)
Maybe I don't read enough post game reports or listen to/watch enough post game interviews,but I can't recall anything like that recently. I hear him say he doesn't worry about his shot and things of that nature but that's about it. I just think during this difficult time,its a good opportunity to show his worth but he's coming up short,which makes it easier for people to be frustrated with him

fair enough.

I just like how he doesn't let the media dictate his words.

JoeyJoJo Shabbadu 12-11-2012 10:50 AM

He just doesn't like having to answer uncomfortable questions from the media, or to explain himself, so he answers aloofly.

carp 12-11-2012 10:55 AM

He just doesn't bother with questions aimed at bringing about a negative response. They should ask him how he felt about his team not being able to pull out the win without him. lol

jeffb 12-11-2012 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by carp (Post 719248)
He just doesn't bother with questions aimed at bringing about a negative response. They should ask him how he felt about his team not being able to pull out the win without him. lol


His answer should then be "I'm not helping them win when I am on the floor"

carp 12-11-2012 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 719252)
His answer should then be "I'm not helping them win when I am on the floor"

or, They did what they could but of course they lost.

ollyaaa 12-11-2012 01:19 PM

Ha Bargs doesn't give us any politician shit like BC. Legend.

LuffyGear2 12-11-2012 02:18 PM

carp i'm on your side on this one; i like the fact that bargs does not panic and make statements that make no sense, like the comment jeff (i really hope ironically) suggested; the god damn whole franchise is a chaos right now, therefore it's a good variation, when one player just stays calm and says things, which are reality and not speculated

Raptors1995 12-11-2012 02:25 PM

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In his six-plus years as President and General Manager of the Toronto Raptors, Bryan Colangelo has emptied the trick bag. He’s used three different head coaches, made five lottery picks and expended significant resources on trades and free agent signings. So with the Raptors sitting at 4-17 and recently coming off of a lifeless, pathetic performance against an undermanned Utah Jazz team, Colangelo and his supporters don’t have many excuses left. This team is in need of a major shake-up and BC only has one option, before his own head hits the floor – trade Andrea Bargnani.



Firing Dwane Casey is not an option. Colangelo can’t justify needing four different head coaches during his tenure as GM. Fingers start pointing at upper management when there is that much turnover. Jay Triano and Dwane Casey were both hand-picked by Colangelo. People will accept one mistake (Triano), but that’s it. Casey’s performance this year hasn’t justified a dismissal either. Toronto has been competitive in most games and although Casey’s offensive tactics have been questionable, he is not at the root of the problem. The culture change Casey brought to this locker room is still prevalent (in some players) and he deserves credit for leading a group of misfits to 23 wins last season. He gained respect as a defensive mind in Dallas and that reputation has grown in Toronto. Casey has earned the right to outlast his boss.

If a coaching change is not possible, that leaves BC with one other option – player movement. It wouldn’t make sense to move one of the recent first-rounders (DeRozan, Davis, Valanciunas, Ross), because their ceiling is unknown and any one of them could become very valuable building blocks. Trading Kyle Lowry would be lunacy – he is one of two players in the NBA averaging 15+ points, 5+ assists and 5+ rebounds. Colangelo should be worried about locking up Lowry long-term, since players of that caliber don’t walk through your door every year. Trading Jose Calderon wouldn’t have a significant impact, considering he now plays less than 20 minutes per game. The Raptors also need his ball-handling/creating skills in the second unit.

Looking at this roster, there is one player who stands out like a sore thumb. He is the one player who doesn’t fit the style and mentality Colangelo and Casey have tried to instill in this team. They want hard-nosed, blue collar, defence-first players who scrap for every point. Andrea Bargnani is not that type of player and he never will be.

The problem with Bargnani is two-fold. Not only will he never live up to expectations, but his lack of effort is cancerous. Why should other players bring hustle and heart to every play when they see Bargnani is allowed to coast through the motions without repercussions? How motivated are the other starters going to be when they know there’s a weak link in the defensive chain of rotations? A team can only drag a dead weight for so long before that dead weight starts to drag them.

Assessing Bargnani’s worth around the league is a complete guessing game. The rumours of a Pau Gasol trade have been growing steadily over the past few weeks, and I think that is a best-case scenario for Raptors fans but it likely won’t happen. The Lakers’ problems stem from the defensive end and Bargs would only make that worse.

Since everyone enjoyed my sample trades for Jose Calderon, here are three sample trades for Bargnani, intended to show what I would consider appropriate return. If Toronto makes any sort of trade, they need to address their ball-handling issues. Kyle Lowry is the only player capable of creating his own shot off-the-dribble and that is a serious problem in the fourth quarter. Teams force the ball out of Lowry’s hands and Toronto’s offence becomes very stagnant. Each of these proposed trades is designed to give Toronto a young ‘creator’ off the bench who can play alongside Calderon or Lowry…

Washington Wizards trade Jordan Crawford & Trevor Ariza to the Raptors for Andrea Bargnani & Alan Anderson

Milwaukee Bucks trade Beno Udrih & Larry Sanders to the Raptors for Andrea Bargnani

Detroit Pistons trade Rodney Stuckey & Austin Daye to the Raptors for Andrea Bargnani

Bargnani’s lackadaisical attitude has permeated the locker room and if he doesn’t leave soon, it will continue to affect the development of this young core. Trading Bargnani is not only the most logical move for Bryan Colangelo, it might be the only move that will save his job.
Trading Bargnani is Colangelo’s Only Option | RaptorBlog | Blogs | theScore.com

Raptors1995 12-11-2012 02:27 PM

Of the possible trades he mentioned, I would want Larry Sanders. I can't see the Bucks doing it with the way he's playing. If Bogut was healthy they would consider it.

Jennings
Ellis
Illyasova
Bargnani
Bogut

Raptors1995 12-11-2012 02:30 PM

Forget Rodney Stuckey, I would want a package starting with Drummond.

carp 12-11-2012 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptors1995 (Post 719359)
Of the possible trades he mentioned, I would want Larry Sanders. I can't see the Bucks doing it with the way he's playing. If Bogut was healthy they would consider it.

Jennings
Ellis
Illyasova
Bargnani
Bogut

They don't have Bogut.

Also, Sanders just means people would be complaining about Ed not getting enough playing time.

Bargn88 12-11-2012 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptors1995 (Post 719359)
Of the possible trades he mentioned, I would want Larry Sanders. I can't see the Bucks doing it with the way he's playing. If Bogut was healthy they would consider it.

Jennings
Ellis
Illyasova
Bargnani
Bogut

So the Bucks traded for Ellis and kept Bogut?

Dayem, give their GM a huge pat on the back

LuffyGear2 12-11-2012 02:34 PM

i must say, i agree 95% with the article, but the trade possibilities are not enough in my opinion; either you pack him with jose and a few other players for a real impact-guy or settle for the future and get one solid role-player (which still would be an improvement) and a pair of first round picks, i personally would go with the latter one :reporter:

Raptors1995 12-11-2012 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by carp (Post 719363)
They don't have Bogut.

Also, Sanders just means people would be complaining about Ed not getting enough playing time.

O shit, forgot they traded him. They have Dalembert, but I still don't see them doing it. It would be people complaining moreso about Valanciunas not getting enough playing time. But with Larry Sanders at 8 and 8 with 3 Blocks in 23 minutes that's something. I would definitely take him.

carp 12-11-2012 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bargn88 (Post 719365)
So the Bucks traded for Ellis and kept Bogut?

Dayem, give their GM a huge pat on the back

actually, he already deserves it since Bogut looks like he's completely done.


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