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Old 07-15-2008, 09:26 AM   #81 (permalink)
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As I mentioned in the trade proposal thread, if I was going to try Atlanta, why not go after Smith and/or Childress? I propsed the following:

From TO: Bargs, Kapono, Graham, 1st rd 09 pick

From Atl: Smith, Childress

I don't think Atlanta has the money to sign both of these players, so they might be obtainable for the right price. even though Kapono is the man at shooting the 3, that is all he does, and we are paying too much $$ for him IMO. Why not get rid of his contract, along with Joey Graham (maybe he can thrive somewhere else) and get an All-star right now while we still have Bosh and O'neal. With O'neal , Bosh and Smith at SF, I would take our frontline against anyone!!!!Also, think how scary Josh Smith would be with Calderon? You thought Moon had some highlights last year.......I get excited just thinking abuot it...what do you guys think? Take away the first rounder, and I may even trade all three of those players for Smith.
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Old 07-15-2008, 09:27 AM   #82 (permalink)
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I just don't think JJ is obtainable, but maybe I am wrong....I am talking basically the same guys though, so either JJ or Smith in return would be AWSOME!!!
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Old 07-15-2008, 04:43 PM   #83 (permalink)
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I was going to check if the trade would work via the Trade Machine, but it doesn't let me select Childress nor Smith, probably because they're RFAs

And if you wanna hear my thoughts on that trade, I'm gonna say ATL will be crazy to do that. Joey is useless, so you can take him out. Bargs is gonna be same old Bargs at the 2nd string PF. Kapono is the only player Hawks may be a little interested in.

Josh Smith - 17.2 ppg / 8.2 rebs
Josh Childress - 12 ppg / 5 rebs

No way this trade is matched

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Old 07-16-2008, 03:02 AM   #84 (permalink)
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As I mentioned in the trade proposal thread, if I was going to try Atlanta, why not go after Smith and/or Childress? I propsed the following:

From TO: Bargs, Kapono, Graham, 1st rd 09 pick

From Atl: Smith, Childress

I don't think Atlanta has the money to sign both of these players, so they might be obtainable for the right price. even though Kapono is the man at shooting the 3, that is all he does, and we are paying too much $$ for him IMO. Why not get rid of his contract, along with Joey Graham (maybe he can thrive somewhere else) and get an All-star right now while we still have Bosh and O'neal. With O'neal , Bosh and Smith at SF, I would take our frontline against anyone!!!!Also, think how scary Josh Smith would be with Calderon? You thought Moon had some highlights last year.......I get excited just thinking abuot it...what do you guys think? Take away the first rounder, and I may even trade all three of those players for Smith.
I REALLY like this trade, but it wont happen, ATL won't give up J smith (at least not without a fight). If something like this were to happen, I would shit myself just thinking about cause we'd have that REAL 3 spot (JMoon...lol, stupid SMitch) and an efficient winger that can score (imo we desperately need that) and play D. I think caldy, bosh, O'neal, and smith all can work together REALLLLLLLLLY well and their chemistry would be amazing (although J smith is the type that'll work well with any team's system, he does everything you need, can shoot, play d, athletic, fast, stamina, rebounder, verstaile, etc.). As you said yourself, I would trade all that JUST for J smith and sign some scrubs or OK players to fill out the rest of the roster (although I like childress, he is really playing well and is developing at a high rate and level).
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Josh Smith - 17.2 ppg / 8.2 rebs
Josh Childress - 12 ppg / 5 rebs

for

bargs- (a developing first pick of first round and maybe ATL may see something in him, he has potential, and I think other teams like ATL could feel like they could bring the best out of him (and maybe they can, I mean he is like a taller Dirk N in the works)
- 10 ppg / 4 boards.
Kapono- (he has shown potential in this years playoffs, i can guarantee you that he will score at least 15 ppg next season or more! promising player, but hefty contract unless he adds more to his game)
- 7.2 ppg (in only 19 mins a game)
Graham- (a physical specimen, if he's worked on and becomes good at something in particular, like he utilizes his talent, he could just as good as J smith)
- 3.6 ppg (in 9 mins)
and the first round pick could be used in a trade for ATL or maybe they can get an amazing player out of it? (andre iggy was ninth pick and other picks i can't remember).

ALL that for JUST J Smith.
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Old 07-16-2008, 03:52 AM   #86 (permalink)
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at the 3 spot, with jamario moon and j smith (who both of them never get injured). at Pg, caldy and roko (i bet neither of them will get injured and play 82 games a piece). at SG, AP and hassan (who, again, never get injured and I think hassan adams was a steal for us who will do good if he gets sufficient mins as NJ fans were all pist to lose him, he's a promising player). at pf, you'll have CB4 and Josh could play there when he subs out or use kris and nathan jawai, same goes with O'neal at center (get like 1 or two C's though just in case, also to fill out the roster).

It'll work out great!

or just give these guys away for peanuts (like second round picks just like what denver did with camby) and make space for J smith in case we get to him before ATL could sign him. cause we could afford to pay him more than ATL could then, cause they can barely afford him when he's getting paid $3 million a year + they have to resign others. we can offer him like like a 5 year $63 million dollar contract (which is $12.6 million a year) and that would leave $3.1 million (because of Kapono, Bargs and Joey G's contrats over the next 3 years, which we'd eventually have to make up for somehow anyways in the future) to sign two over sea, FAs, jamario moons type players to fill out the roster (i'd suggest two centers as i've mentioned before) and we would have even more cap space left over than right now! IT'S GENIUS! It's a ballsy move, but it'd work and you gotta give some to get more, right? There is nothing wrong with this idea, it's flawless, it's just up to J smith on whether he'll except or not which I think he won't say no to almost $13 million on a team with bosh, o'neal, jose!
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I also like this idea (from another thread);
the Raps should offer
Kaps, Bargs and Joey
to Dallas for
JHoward and Eddie Jones

Dallas gets another outside threat who would look good getting feeds for Kidd and a doubled Dirk. Get Bargs who would learn from Dirk. and Mr. Versatility

TO Gets a starting SF and a good six man in Eddie-scoring punch of the bench

and then with some left over cash bring in a big man from over seas or FA.
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I also like this idea (from another thread);
the Raps should offer
Kaps, Bargs and Joey
to Dallas for
JHoward and Eddie Jones

Dallas gets another outside threat who would look good getting feeds for Kidd and a doubled Dirk. Get Bargs who would learn from Dirk. and Mr. Versatility

TO Gets a starting SF and a good six man in Eddie-scoring punch of the bench

and then with some left over cash bring in a big man from over seas or FA.
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Old 07-16-2008, 08:51 AM   #89 (permalink)
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I also like this idea (from another thread);
the Raps should offer
Kaps, Bargs and Joey
to Dallas for
JHoward and Eddie Jones

Dallas gets another outside threat who would look good getting feeds for Kidd and a doubled Dirk. Get Bargs who would learn from Dirk. and Mr. Versatility

TO Gets a starting SF and a good six man in Eddie-scoring punch of the bench

and then with some left over cash bring in a big man from over seas or FA.
No offence bartdude, but is our trash someone else's treasure all of a sudden? Is there something I don't know about Bargs that would warrant us getting back an all-star player in Howard and a solid vet in Jones for 3 underachievers.
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Alot of GMs still feel Bargs is going to be special. BC said so himself that the first calls he feilded this offseason were about Bargs not TJ/Jose, although this could be a tactic to drive up Bargs value. Kaps is the best shooter in the league hands down. Joey is crap-I'll give you that. On the other hand Howard is being shopped and who else in the league could use him bad enough that they could offer better pieces(mabey Detroit).

I know its not going to happen but it isnt as unfair as you say.
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I know its not going to happen but it isnt as unfair as you say.
Until Bargnani shows me otherwise I'll continue to rip him a new one everytime the discussion comes up. You guys see potential, I see disappointment.

But I will take back the Kapono one though. Not his fault that BC gave him the money he got and also not his fault that it took Sam 82 games to finally figure out how to use Jason accordingly.
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^^Ill live with that-a split-
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Old 07-16-2008, 10:01 AM   #93 (permalink)
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I wouldn't mind getting Howard......but I don't think we can call Eddie jones anything significant anymore. Sure, in his prie he was great, but he is pretty old now and not much more then a corner 3 ball shooter.......oh but waut...isn't that wahat Kapono does for us anyway...lol


Therefore it wouldn't be that bad, we get a shooter who will play a few minutes a game, and a starting SF who can be a great secondary scorer. IMO he was way better in Dallas when so much wasn't expected from him. when they turned alot of the offensive focus on him last year, his productivity went way down. I wasn't too impressed with him last season at all. I would say J. Smith is twice the player J. Howard is, but thats just my opinion. I do agree that Howard would be more obtainable probably, as Cuban likes to make trades just to make trades I think sometimes. Frig, maybe he will give us J Kidd for Slokar and a few srubs(...lol joking) He is due for a major turnover after last years performance after the Kidd trade though, so I would expect drastic things before the season starts out of Dallas.....
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