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Old 07-12-2008, 11:30 AM   #21 (permalink)
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How about an exchange of euros with the knicks: Bargs for Danilo....TO needs more of a SF than a PF and the knicks now have a glut of SF (Lee, Balkman, Qrich, Jeffries).....risk for both teams because Bargs hasn't proven much and Danilo has not played a single game yet...


Don't know what kind of package would make this work however...
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Old 07-12-2008, 11:36 AM   #22 (permalink)
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You basically need to examine any team that's in a rebuilding phase with an unhappy player.

And right now that's a tough thing to see from any team.

My fear in all of this though is if we trade Bargs + AP + Graham what depth would we be left with?
What about the Pistons?

Bring Hamilton or/and Prince STAT.
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Old 07-12-2008, 12:03 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Lets trade Bargs for Michael Redd... i like him

possible?

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Old 07-12-2008, 01:29 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Lets trade Bargs for Michael Redd... i like him

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Old 07-12-2008, 01:40 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Does anyone else think a trade rumor might be exactly what Bargnani needs?

He has it pretty good in Toronto and the thoughts of moving to another team where he can't take anything for granted might be just what he needs to get his career back on track. I have always felt it was his attitude that was holding him back from producing to his potential.
Hmmm, I don't agree with that. I don't think he can afford to take anything forgranted here as well because as Sam has shown he will bench his ass pretty darn quick. I think on a different team being coached by a softer coach he might be getting a little more leeway.
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Old 07-12-2008, 04:18 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I think if they can get somebody it has to be a guy that can stay in front of guys like Monte Ellis and Devin Harris, and therefore pretty much anybody. Raja Bell would do the job. That's what I'd be looking for, otherwise it's just not worth it.
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Old 07-12-2008, 04:23 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Yeah, but the Celtics had a top sixth man in James Posey and really added an added jolt with the signing of Sam Cassell. We'd be relying on Jason Kapono and Ukic. Not the same.
We don't know that Ukic isn't as good as Posey... not yet at least. His play against Toronto in that pre-season game was actually nice, and he has a year or so of experience and improvement since then.

Dont know why I bring it up...justfelt like it
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Old 07-12-2008, 04:42 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Hey Ukic could surprise us, but one of the things Boston did immediately was fill up the roster with veterans. I hope Ukic will be good, I really really do. My feeling though is IF we end up dealing AP + Bargs + Kapono we lose alot of bodies who can hit the open 3 and we lose some guys who can play well off the bench.

Again, the Celtics had some key veteran that helped that immensely in their playoff run. Look at PJ Brown. And they took a risk in doing that too.

I agree that we need to add another big time player, or a guy like Raja Bell who I advocated for earlier in May, but if we're adding a big time player I'd like to get a guy who's on their rookie contract; or will end up being a restricted free agent that way we retain their Bird Rights which will give us added salary flexibity as well.
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Old 07-12-2008, 06:50 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Hey Ukic could surprise us, but one of the things Boston did immediately was fill up the roster with veterans. I hope Ukic will be good, I really really do. My feeling though is IF we end up dealing AP + Bargs + Kapono we lose alot of bodies who can hit the open 3 and we lose some guys who can play well off the bench.

Again, the Celtics had some key veteran that helped that immensely in their playoff run. Look at PJ Brown. And they took a risk in doing that too.

I agree that we need to add another big time player, or a guy like Raja Bell who I advocated for earlier in May, but if we're adding a big time player I'd like to get a guy who's on their rookie contract; or will end up being a restricted free agent that way we retain their Bird Rights which will give us added salary flexibity as well.
I don't know if Colangelo wants to trade all of these guys probably more like one or two of them. What about Agent 0? Maybe they can arrange a sign and trade for Arenas. He is the type of 2 guard that would make a world of a difference.
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Right now Bargnani still has some trade value.If the Raptors wait until the trading deadline and he has another bad first half that value drops significantly.If they're serious about trying to trade him then nows the time to do it.Or hope he has a great first half and keeps him or trade him then for alot more.

I would keep Kapono and trade Bargnani/Parker +09 pick for any of these:

J-Rich
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Josh Howard +
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Old 07-12-2008, 07:22 PM   #31 (permalink)
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One question though: If MLSE is willing to go over the cap why would BC be asking Jose to restructure his contract for a mere 60,000 dollars to stay under the cap?
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One question though: If MLSE is willing to go over the cap why would BC be asking Jose to restructure his contract for a mere 60,000 dollars to stay under the cap?
Because they don't want to do it unless its worthwhile. Jose still gets his money, he just gets more of it later.
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Old 07-12-2008, 08:16 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I don't know if Colangelo wants to trade all of these guys probably more like one or two of them. What about Agent 0? Maybe they can arrange a sign and trade for Arenas. He is the type of 2 guard that would make a world of a difference.
Welcome to RF clark.

To answer your question, there is absolutely no way we can feasibly acquire Arenas without giving up Bosh in return. Nor would I really want Gilbert in a Raptors uniform anytime soon.
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Old 07-12-2008, 09:12 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Welcome to RF clark.

To answer your question, there is absolutely no way we can feasibly acquire Arenas without giving up Bosh in return. Nor would I really want Gilbert in a Raptors uniform anytime soon.
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Old 07-12-2008, 09:32 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Welcome to RF clark.

To answer your question, there is absolutely no way we can feasibly acquire Arenas without giving up Bosh in return. Nor would I really want Gilbert in a Raptors uniform anytime soon.
Thanks for the welcome. I know he is not a "team" guy but he is the type of player that the Raptors need. He is a high scoring wing player who wants to win more than anything. I don't agree that it would take Bosh to get him. Remember it would be a sign and trade. In any of those situations you never get fair value. Maybe a Bargniani and Parker or even Bargniani and a '09 1st.

A classic example is Rashard Lewis for a 2nd Rounder. Maybe this is just because there was no way of Lewis resigning in Seattle. I am by no means a basketball expert I'm just thinking out loud.

If Arenas is not the guy to sign and trade, do you have any UFA's or RFA's that might be in that cateogry? If Jameson hadn't signed he might have been that perfect SF. Others that I see possibly are Smith (ATL), Deng (CHI), Gordon (CHI), and Iguodala (PHI - I know not gonna happen).

Let me know what you think. Cheers
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Thanks for the welcome. I know he is not a "team" guy but he is the type of player that the Raptors need. He is a high scoring wing player who wants to win more than anything. I don't agree that it would take Bosh to get him. Remember it would be a sign and trade. In any of those situations you never get fair value. Maybe a Bargniani and Parker or even Bargniani and a '09 1st.

A classic example is Rashard Lewis for a 2nd Rounder. Maybe this is just because there was no way of Lewis resigning in Seattle. I am by no means a basketball expert I'm just thinking out loud.

If Arenas is not the guy to sign and trade, do you have any UFA's or RFA's that might be in that cateogry? If Jameson hadn't signed he might have been that perfect SF. Others that I see possibly are Smith (ATL), Deng (CHI), Gordon (CHI), and Iguodala (PHI - I know not gonna happen).

Let me know what you think. Cheers
No $$ for RFAs. Arenas is a PG..Trust me. He's making 20M a year and he won't help too much..
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Old 07-12-2008, 09:43 PM   #37 (permalink)
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No $$ for RFAs. Arenas is a PG..Trust me. He's making 20M a year and he won't help too much..
I thought RFA could sign for more with their own team... please clarify... is that just UFA?
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I thought RFA could sign for more with their own team... please clarify... is that just UFA?
Unrestricted free agents are free agents who can sign immediately and..For a certain amount of money.
Restricted Free agents like Smith and Iggy still have ownership to their teams after their contracts end. You can sign an offer sheet for them and the original team of the player can match the offer given a time span of 7 days. If not matched, the player is gone.
I know there are more specifics but I don't know them. Care to fill me in?
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But in a sign and trade they sign with there own team and then leave via trade. Was that not the situation in which McGrady left Toronto?
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But in a sign and trade they sign with there own team and then leave via trade. Was that not the situation in which McGrady left Toronto?
I don't know about McGrady but sign and trades are legit. As long it's a sign and trade it's legal even if it overrides the teams' maximum salary before taxes.

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