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Old 03-15-2012, 02:18 PM   #101 (permalink)
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they should be, it was a steal of a deal for them.

pretty weak trade from us.

actually very weak trade.

Gave a guy away that for a second round pick that isnt worth shit.
tell me what they should have got for a guy who's contract expires in a couple months?
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Old 03-15-2012, 02:19 PM   #102 (permalink)
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tell me what they should have got for a guy who's contract expires in a couple months?
more than a second round pick.

any more questions?

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I'll add to that thought.

I am certain that there was other deals out there that required us taking on a little bit of salary but adding a piece somewhere. I wouldnt be surprised if LAL would have gone with the tpe and one of their picks for Barbo. or I would venture a guess that Chicago could have offered a better deal as well.

All this move did was convert straight capspace into a tpe. so now we have a 7 million tpe which cannot be combined with other player by the way, will be in place at the draft(further hindering a possible large draft day deal requiring us to take on salary) and would need to be renounced in order to have the full amount of capspae available.

Second rounder and cash considerations is useless and not worth anything but trade fodder down the road sometime.

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Old 03-15-2012, 02:20 PM   #103 (permalink)
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they should be, it was a steal of a deal for them.

pretty weak trade from us.

actually very weak trade.

Gave a guy away that for a second round pick that isnt worth shit.
We gave nothing away. We don't want to play him for the rest of this year, and if we want him this summer, this move doesn't hamper us in that regard.

All this does is free up cap space (or a TPE) for moves today and on draft day that we wouldn't otherwise have had. The pick is (admittedly thin) gravy.
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more than a second round pick.

any more questions?
yeah, define more.
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Old 03-15-2012, 02:26 PM   #105 (permalink)
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Old 03-15-2012, 02:36 PM   #106 (permalink)
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I'll be looking for more action down the road around draft time for sure.
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Old 03-15-2012, 02:43 PM   #107 (permalink)
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We gave nothing away. We don't want to play him for the rest of this year, and if we want him this summer, this move doesn't hamper us in that regard.

All this does is free up cap space (or a TPE) for moves today and on draft day that we wouldn't otherwise have had. The pick is (admittedly thin) gravy.
draft is penciled in on the 28th of june, couple of days before Barbo would have normally been off the books, doesnt really give any advantage at that point in regards to making a deal as team has a couple of days before even signing new draft picks.

deal was weak and boring and really makes no difference at all in the end.
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Old 03-15-2012, 02:44 PM   #108 (permalink)
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more than a second round pick.

any more questions?

edit:

I'll add to that thought.

I am certain that there was other deals out there that required us taking on a little bit of salary but adding a piece somewhere. I wouldnt be surprised if LAL would have gone with the tpe and one of their picks for Barbo. or I would venture a guess that Chicago could have offered a better deal as well.

All this move did was convert straight capspace into a tpe. so now we have a 7 million tpe which cannot be combined with other player by the way, will be in place at the draft(further hindering a possible large draft day deal requiring us to take on salary) and would need to be renounced in order to have the full amount of capspae available.

Second rounder and cash considerations is useless and not worth anything but trade fodder down the road sometime.


well i'm thrilled you ventured a guess.
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Old 03-15-2012, 02:48 PM   #109 (permalink)
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well i'm thrilled you ventured a guess.
and im thrilled that you assume this was the best deal possible.

so we are doubly thrilled...
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Old 03-15-2012, 02:49 PM   #110 (permalink)
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deal was weak and boring and really makes no difference at all in the end.
We lose more, and get a better chance at a higher first round pick AND get a 2nd round pick (that while I agree is most likely a bag of poop, it's something)
AND Bryan can re-sign Barbosa for the start of next season if he wants to come back.
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Old 03-15-2012, 02:49 PM   #111 (permalink)
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Well if Bucks can possibly trade Stephan Jackson to Spurs for Richard Jefferson and their 1st round pick

Im sure Raptors couldve done the same with Barbosa...+ he's not a bonehead and plays 100% every night and doesnt complain. Just saying. I really didnt see a point in trading barbosa if we were to just get a 2nd round pick
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more than a second round pick.

any more questions?

edit:

I'll add to that thought.

I am certain that there was other deals out there that required us taking on a little bit of salary but adding a piece somewhere. I wouldnt be surprised if LAL would have gone with the tpe and one of their picks for Barbo. or I would venture a guess that Chicago could have offered a better deal as well.
The Lakers have been very clear that they do not want to take on salary using that TPE because it would cost them big in tax. Instead, they've insisted on sending out salary (Walton and Kapono) in the deal that got them Sessions. They sent out their pick (lotto protected) but not Dallas' in that deal. There is no way Barbosa would have been traded to the Lakers for a first rounder.

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All this move did was convert straight capspace into a tpe. so now we have a 7 million tpe which cannot be combined with other player by the way, will be in place at the draft(further hindering a possible large draft day deal requiring us to take on salary) and would need to be renounced in order to have the full amount of capspae available.

Second rounder and cash considerations is useless and not worth anything but trade fodder down the road sometime.
The deal didn't convert cap space into a TPE - it converted cap space in July into cap space now (in the form of a TPE). Renouncing the TPE is simple and instantaneous, so the TPE does not hinder the ability to make a deal. Having the TPE in place and NOT renouncing it leaves us with as much cap space as we would have had to make a draft day (or mid-playoffs) deal if we had kept Barbosa. As has been stated, this move frees up 7.6 million in cap space at that time compared to if Barbosa is not moved.
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Old 03-15-2012, 03:03 PM   #114 (permalink)
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lb for a 2nd pick?...is this 100% confirm or still speculation...coz i still cannot believe it...is bc that sick
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draft is penciled in on the 28th of june, couple of days before Barbo would have normally been off the books, doesnt really give any advantage at that point in regards to making a deal as team has a couple of days before even signing new draft picks.

deal was weak and boring and really makes no difference at all in the end.
A) Moves are sometimes dependent on the time period they are done in - for example, a specific trade set-up can be acceptable using players' 2011-12 salaries, but not their 2012-13 salaries.

B) Trade deadline moves that don't occur until July actually have to wait until the 8th, after the moratorium.

C) This deal frees up cap space to use in the mid-playoff or draft lottery timeframes as well (as well as any last minute deals BC may want to pursue today) - and we've seen in the past that BC makes moves in this timeframe somewhat often.
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Well if Bucks can possibly trade Stephan Jackson to Spurs for Richard Jefferson and their 1st round pick

Im sure Raptors couldve done the same with Barbosa...+ he's not a bonehead and plays 100% every night and doesnt complain. Just saying. I really didnt see a point in trading barbosa if we were to just get a 2nd round pick
You want to take back Jefferson's contract? No thank you very much.
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We lose more, and get a better chance at a higher first round pick AND get a 2nd round pick (that while I agree is most likely a bag of poop, it's something)
AND Bryan can re-sign Barbosa for the start of next season if he wants to come back.
a percentage of a higher pick? that is considered valuable now?

we were looking at a number 4 or 5 as it was, isnt going to change with barbosa gone.

we are 4 games above NOH and Washington, and they aint improving either.

And keep in mind that the hornets are owned be the nba(looking to get sold) and just lost their star player.

remember last time we were number 3 and we picked 5th, its all a crap shoot and loosing on purpose usually doesnt work out. Its costs fans, tv rights , gives players a losing mentality and makes it an undesirable place to play.

But if that whats best for the team, be in the lottery for the next 5 years and become the farm team of real nba clubs then great, halfway there.
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Old 03-15-2012, 03:10 PM   #118 (permalink)
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really dissapointed with this trade, but atleast it frees up our capspace, barby wasnt a good fit for this team, as much as I love his game, we freed up 7.6M for a back up SG, whos payed more then Derozan obvs
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We lose more, and get a better chance at a higher first round pick AND get a 2nd round pick (that while I agree is most likely a bag of poop, it's something)
AND Bryan can re-sign Barbosa for the start of next season if he wants to come back.
That's what i''m thinking too it's a scheme to take the 2nd round pick from them and to re-sign him for next season ^_^
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Old 03-15-2012, 03:23 PM   #120 (permalink)
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really dissapointed with this trade, but atleast it frees up our capspace, barby wasnt a good fit for this team, as much as I love his game, we freed up 7.6M for a back up SG, whos payed more then Derozan obvs
doesnt free up capspace, it breaks it into two parts. capspace and tpe(which i think can be used a few days earlier than the outright capspace)

and if team had any intentions on really spending this offseason, then the tpe will just be renounced anyways.
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