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DeMar DeRozan and Kyle Lowry agree -- the camaraderie in the Raptors' locker room is special.Kyle Lowry and DeMar DeRozan chatted and laughed at their neighboring lockers following Tuesday’s Game 2 win over the Brooklyn Nets in Toronto. Backs to the media members awaiting a postgame interview, this is a standard sight after Raptors games.*

When DeRozan headed to the podium to meet the press, Lowry hung back in an Air Canada Centre hallway, holding his backcourt mate's daughter in his arms.*“Honestly, we talk every single day,” DeRozan said after practice on Wednesday, less than 24 hours after scoring 30 points to help tie the series with the Nets at 1-1. “We figure out ways to make each other better, make this team better. We constantly talk.*"I always come to his house, freeload [off] his refrigerator, whatever his chef is cooking. Go over there, eat, take my daughter over there, play with his son. They play cars, race cars, whatever, do little kid things. Just that bonding has grown with that. That’s definitely cool.”
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“It’s not just being politically correct or nothing like that,” DeRozan said, adding that he’s never worried about what might happen this summer. Lowry already knows DeRozan wants to keep building something here, and DeRozan has repeatedly given his point guard credit for his own success.*Lowry called the Raptors a “band of brothers,” and he appreciates that the environment is conducive to constructive criticism. He can tell DeRozan when he messes up a play, and DeRozan will say he’s right. It’s not just one dominant voice, Lowry said, and bench players are free to contribute ideas. As he described Toronto’s locker room, it sounded like a place he wouldn’t mind staying.*

“The chemistry, it’s unbelievable,” Lowry said. “I can pick up my phone and call any one of my teammates and have a conversation. Serious, jokingly, it’s just cool. It’s just great to have a group of guys who just really get along. You’d never think a group like that, with so many different personalities, that everyone really just feeds off each other and everyone genuinely likes each other.”
NBA Lowry sees a 'band of brothers' in Toronto - ESPN

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Old 04-24-2014, 08:21 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I was reading Toronto Star today and found this little gem in there you would think that they at least check if they got the names right before printing the newspapers
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That Star piece is really bad for mixing number formats as well. "16 points and nine boards." High school level writing stuff. Go back to journalism school.
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I get that the guys get along very well and all that, and that they have really caught lighting in a bottle this season.

However, I am very skeptical as to if:

1) They can keep hold of that lighting
2) MU still doesn't make changes.

I feel strongly that this team will be quite different next year, and the change will be from the starting lineup. Lowry, Demar or Amir, IMO, will be gone
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I get that the guys get along very well and all that, and that they have really caught lighting in a bottle this season.

However, I am very skeptical as to if:

1) They can keep hold of that lighting
2) MU still doesn't make changes.

I feel strongly that this team will be quite different next year, and the change will be from the starting lineup. Lowry, Demar or Amir, IMO, will be gone
Amir and Demar ain't going nowhere next year. We've got them both on the relatively cheap.

Lowry could be a different story.

Are you saying that you think Masai will trade Demar and Amir? Not sure he would get a fair return considering their pay to play ratio.
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Amir and Demar ain't going nowhere next year. We've got them both on the relatively cheap.

Lowry could be a different story.

Are you saying that you think Masai will trade Demar and Amir? Not sure he would get a fair return considering their pay to play ratio.
I just have a funny feeling that he might.

MU isn't one to sit on his hands and hope for internal improvement.

And looking at things logically between Demar and Amir you can come to conclusions that could lead to them being moved.

Amir:
Pros: Young, great contributions on court in terms of net production(offensive rating/defensive rating), good contract

Cons: Been in league for 9 season, stating to show a few signs of wear and tear. Once body starts to break down it is only reasonable to expect it to decline quickly.

Demar:
Pros: Solid midrange game, Maintains effeciency no mater the usage. Efficiency may average, but even with the extra usage given him this year he maintained the average. Improved turnovers. Maybe improve?

Cons: Success this season can be attributed partly to Lowry's play as well as system team is running. Most plays ran main goal is to maximize the opportunity for Demar. Can Demar be "the" guy like our system tries to make him? With a reduced roll can Demar still be effective? Or is this season an anomoly on the plus side for him(Magloire type season) Good season in a year with bad players in division.


Just with the potential that is out there in the draft this year, potential trades(with Demar and Amirs trade value likely never been higher) I personally feel that the potential of return is higher than the potential that everything maintains as it currently is, with improvements from within.
For example, bet LAL would be very interested in either Demar or Amir and pick for their pick if it drops down from 6th to 8th or 9th.

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I doubt Amir gets moved. DeMar I could definitely see happening. Very high value right now, and Ujiri hates player options (which DD has after the 2015-16 season). Could just be my preferences talking though.
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I just have a funny feeling that he might.

MU isn't one to sit on his hands and hope for internal improvement.

And looking at things logically between Demar and Amir you can come to conclusions that could lead to them being moved.

Amir:
Pros: Young, great contributions on court in terms of net production(offensive rating/defensive rating), good contract

Cons: Been in league for 9 season, stating to show a few signs of wear and tear. Once body starts to break down it is only reasonable to expect it to decline quickly.

Demar:
Pros: Solid midrange game, Maintains effeciency no mater the usage. Efficiency may average, but even with the extra usage given him this year he maintained the average. Improved turnovers. Maybe improve?

Cons: Success this season can be attributed partly to Lowry's play as well as system team is running. Most plays ran main goal is to maximize the opportunity for Demar. Can Demar be "the" guy like our system tries to make him? With a reduced roll can Demar still be effective? Or is this season an anomoly on the plus side for him(Magloire type season) Good season in a year with bad players in division.


Just with the potential that is out there in the draft this year, potential trades(with Demar and Amirs trade value likely never been higher) I personally feel that the potential of return is higher than the potential that everything maintains as it currently is, with improvements from within.
For example, bet LAL would be very interested in either Demar or Amir and pick for their pick if it drops down from 6th to 8th or 9th.
So MU isn't one to sit on his hands and wait on internal development yet he might be willing to trade our only all-star, who is locked into a nice contract and who has dramatically improved his game for a draft pick outside the top 5? I really can't see it.

As for Amir I think we've got a team option next year to keep him for around 7 million which is a steal. He did have some major ankle issues this year and still doesn't look 100% but at that price and as an expiring I don't think we'd get enough value in return to not play out the season with him. He's really valuable to our team and if we want any shot at keeping Lowry we can't go trading away starters unless we're instantly improving the roster.

I just think that would be a step back. After the year Derozan has had and his improvement over last season I think it would be prudent to see if he continues to mature and improve (hopefully on the defensive end. He couldn't even guard Alan Anderson in the last game).
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So MU isn't one to sit on his hands and wait on internal development yet he might be willing to trade our only all-star, who is locked into a nice contract and who has dramatically improved his game for a draft pick outside the top 5? I really can't see it.

As for Amir I think we've got a team option next year to keep him for around 7 million which is a steal. He did have some major ankle issues this year and still doesn't look 100% but at that price and as an expiring I don't think we'd get enough value in return to not play out the season with him. He's really valuable to our team and if we want any shot at keeping Lowry we can't go trading away starters unless we're instantly improving the roster.

I just think that would be a step back. After the year Derozan has had and his improvement over last season I think it would be prudent to see if he continues to mature and improve (hopefully on the defensive end. He couldn't even guard Alan Anderson in the last game).
I said Amir for the outside top 5 pick, Demar I would at least hope top 5.

And in regards to allstar, I don't consider that a real selling point, because if Rondo and Rose weren't injured he wouldn't have made it, and actually don't think he would have if Lowry didn't have a bad rep with coaches around that time. I strongly feel lowry was more deserving than Demar for the Allstar nod.

In regards to if he is still improving, every numerical average always has fluctuations towards both sides, I think this past season for Demar was an anomaly towards to good side. Without the current system, without the current high usage his numbers wouldn't be that special. He DOMINATES our offense, with the amout of time the ball is in his hands, he should be scoring 25+ per game, imo.

But on the flip, as DanH has previously stated, I dont think Demars value is going to get any higher, and right now we are hoping for defensive improvements, which after 5 years have still yet to happen. Maybe others think it can and will buy high.

There are potential high picks on table this offseason, and potentially bigname bigmen as well(Love, Horford) and perhaps Demar can net one of them.

Purely hypothetically speaking just for an example:

I for one would prefer to see Ross at sg, a bigger sf(Draft, MLE, Amir trade, Fields?) and someone like Horford at pf (aquired from trading Demar and filler)

Lowry
Ross
??/Fields/amir trade/Draft
Horford
JV

or

Lowry
Demar
Ross
Amir
JV
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I doubt Amir gets moved. DeMar I could definitely see happening. Very high value right now, and Ujiri hates player options (which DD has after the 2015-16 season). Could just be my preferences talking though.
I could see Amir being dealt given that his contract is reasonable, will be in his final year and also given our depth at that position.
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I could see Amir being dealt given that his contract is reasonable, will be in his final year and also given our depth at that position.
It would break my heart to see him go, but absolutely.
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Expiring contracts aren't worth that much anymore. What are we really going to get in a rent-an-Amir deal that's worth losing him? Possibly included in a deal with major salary coming back, but I'd be surprised, and completely shocked if he was the primary outgoing asset in a deal.
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Expiring contracts aren't worth that much anymore. What are we really going to get in a rent-an-Amir deal that's worth losing him? Possibly included in a deal with major salary coming back, but I'd be surprised, and completely shocked if he was the primary outgoing asset in a deal.
I think you would be looking at a minimum amir and pick going out.
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Trading the teams best offensive player and relying on a draft pick + Ross in his place is an unessecary risk. Ross is struggling right now to make positive plays of any sort in the playoffs and moving Demar to replace a very solid piece in Amir is a step backwards.

I just think it's really disappointing how people still think the team would be better off without Demar. Like he is somehow holding the rest of the guys back.

It's not easy to hit two midrange jump shots in a tie game in the playoffs with under two minutes to go. That was huge pressure. Gigantic pressure with the consequence being a 2-0 deficit heading on the road. Essentially that was the playoffs, and Demar rose to the occassion, and yet, people want to trade him so that somebody completely unproven can replace him with the idea being that we replace Amir, the heart and sould of the team, in the starting lineup.
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Trading the teams best offensive player and relying on a draft pick + Ross in his place is an unessecary risk. Ross is struggling right now to make positive plays of any sort in the playoffs and moving Demar to replace a very solid piece in Amir is a step backwards.

I just think it's really disappointing how people still think the team would be better off without Demar. Like he is somehow holding the rest of the guys back.

It's not easy to hit two midrange jump shots in a tie game in the playoffs with under two minutes to go. That was huge pressure. Gigantic pressure with the consequence being a 2-0 deficit heading on the road. Essentially that was the playoffs, and Demar rose to the occassion, and yet, people want to trade him so that somebody completely unproven can replace him with the idea being that we replace Amir, the heart and sould of the team, in the starting lineup.
Yes ross is struggling right now as any second year player who has only played as a starter for half a season playing out of position against two hall of famers with no set plays run for him to get him going. However, I dont think anyone is implying to replace Demar with him exclusively. And lowry is the heart and soul of the team, I love amir, but this team follows Kyle.

A demar trade would most certainly bring in a talent upgrade elsewhere, and then it boils down to if the new talent, coupled with Ross in his more natural 3d role at SG is better than what is currently constructed. would we be better with a 28 and 10 pf, a bigger stronger sf, ross at sg, lowry and jv?
or Lowry, Demar, ross, Amir and JV.

Depends on if a person thinks Demar has peaked inreagrds to improvements, has big steps left to take, or if this season he is playing a little over his head.


after those 2 shots (which up until they went in looked like bad shots, iirc) he kicked ball ouot of bounds for turnover number 6.
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You're essentially changing the entire dynamic of a team that has had the best record in the East since the Gay trade.

Small steps - the two upgrades that should be looked at are first/second big off the bench and first wing off the bench.

Why trade around assets thinking their might be a better fit when the fit they have right now, has been successful. If it's not broken you don't fix it.

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You're essentially changing the entire dynamic of a team that has had the best record in the East since the Gay trade.

Small steps - the two upgrades that should be looked at are first/second big off the bench and first wing off the bench.

Why trade around assets thinking their might be a better fit when the fit they have right now, has been successful. If it's not broken you don't fix it.
I agree with this 100%
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Masai isn't trigger happy.

The biggest factor in his mind will be maintaining the chemistry, so changes will only be made to the bottom end of the roster trying to upgrade it so they can rest the starters more.

Indiana went south after they signed Bynum, traded for Turner, and got rid of Granger. Totally screwed up their chemistry. I'm sure Masai took note.
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Masai isn't trigger happy
the amount of moves and player movement in denver while he was there says otherwise.
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You're essentially changing the entire dynamic of a team that has had the best record in the East since the Gay trade.

Small steps - the two upgrades that should be looked at are first/second big off the bench and first wing off the bench.

Why trade around assets thinking their might be a better fit when the fit they have right now, has been successful. If it's not broken you don't fix it.
But does it really fit right now, and is it sustainable?

Like I said earlier, it all depends on if you think this is a lightning in a bottle season, or the doorway to something great, that only needs tweeked.
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