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Old 04-24-2014, 01:48 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Masai isn't trigger happy.

The biggest factor in his mind will be maintaining the chemistry, so changes will only be made to the bottom end of the roster trying to upgrade it so they can rest the starters more.

Indiana went south after they signed Bynum, traded for Turner, and got rid of Granger. Totally screwed up their chemistry. I'm sure Masai took note.
Winning makes Chemistry.

Indiana started to lose games, and as much of that can be contributed to the offcourt stuff going on there.
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Old 04-24-2014, 01:52 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Ross needs to get bigger over the summer or we'll occasionally be exposed on 3 spot every game. We also need a post presence outside of JV. We should use Patt more on the post to settle things down. As for Derozan, we should keep the dude and trade Ross for a 3 upgrade! Harrison Barnes? Deng? Ariza? Hayward?
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the amount of moves and player movement in denver while he was there says otherwise.
Not really. The Melo trade wasn't at his choosing. The Iguodala acquisition was a small part hooked to the Dwight trade. Other than that, it was only the Javale-Nene deal, and the trade to pick up Brewer for a 2nd round pick. That's over 3 seasons.
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Not really. The Melo trade wasn't at his choosing. The Iguodala acquisition was a small part hooked to the Dwight trade. Other than that, it was only the Javale-Nene deal, and the trade to pick up Brewer for a 2nd round pick. That's over 3 seasons.
9 trades in 4 years.

Then all the signings and waivings of players.


Thats a hell of an active gm.
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But does it really fit right now, and is it sustainable?

Like I said earlier, it all depends on if you think this is a lightning in a bottle season, or the doorway to something great, that only needs tweeked.
It does fit right now - they've won at better than a 60% clip, took the 3rd seed and won a game in the playoffs.

I think idea of "lightning in a bottle" better describes the idea of trading away major parts for other major parts hoping that the outcome improves each time. What I think Ujiri will be trying to do is grow a team, a 'band of brothers' if you will. It's a process.
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Ross needs to get bigger over the summer or we'll occasionally be exposed on 3 spot every game. We also need a post presence outside of JV. We should use Patt more on the post to settle things down. As for Derozan, we should keep the dude and trade Ross for a 3 upgrade! Harrison Barnes? Deng? Ariza? Hayward?
Ross is the most vulnerable from our starters. It isn't for lack of talent or athleticism, but more around his motor and his passion.
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Looking at what Ujiri was doing in Denver, it appeared like he made a bunch of moves to bring together a nice roster of young players with decent chemistry to grow together. But that's just speculation, maybe he had his eyes on trading Lawson, Javale and Gallo and just keep the revolving door turning for the sake of it turning.
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It does fit right now - they've won at better than a 60% clip, took the 3rd seed and won a game in the playoffs.

I think idea of "lightning in a bottle" better describes the idea of trading away major parts for other major parts hoping that the outcome improves each time. What I think Ujiri will be trying to do is grow a team, a 'band of brothers' if you will. It's a process.
Quite possibly yes, but possibly no.

No one was expecting what happened this season at all. Even after 2 month he was still interested in trading Lowry. IIRC, there were alot of rumors of MU taking offers on Demar and Lowry at trade deadline.

Personally, when I see a team trade a "known" Talent in Gay, put their starting PG on the block and essentially keep him there only to add their starting sg to the block 2 months later doesnt sound like a GM that thinks this is the start on continued growth and continuity.

I very well could be wrong, it has happened in the past and will happen in the future, I am just very skeptical and reserved that this team, outside of guyr 7-12 is the same team we next season. I dont think MU is a guy that watches the grass grow so to speak, his sole aspiration is Championship, and even with tweaks I can't see this as a championship team. In fact not even close to it. Perhaps an Atlanta type of team, generally a bridesmaid, but never a bride. I want to see at least multiple conference finals, not if all goes well second round fodder.
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Looking at what Ujiri was doing in Denver, it appeared like he made a bunch of moves to bring together a nice roster of young players with decent chemistry to grow together. But that's just speculation, maybe he had his eyes on trading Lawson, Javale and Gallo and just keep the revolving door turning for the sake of it turning.
Maybe, he never finished the job though, so we may never know.
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9 trades in 4 years.

Then all the signings and waivings of players.


Thats a hell of an active gm.
9 in 4 yrs? Not a lot. And signings and waivings- ffs he signed DJ.,Psycho T, Daye, Buycks, Stone because the league requires it for the rosters. But those were basically inconsequential. Look at every team and you'll see the same happening.
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Ross is the most vulnerable from our starters. It isn't for lack of talent or athleticism, but more around his motor and his passion.
I think saying he has no motor and passion is a big assumption.

Kid has only been in league for 2 years, only had consistant minutes for a half a season and is being asked to guard guys MUCH bigger, stronger and far more savy than he is. PP and JJ are a big load to handle in the playoffs.

Is he vulnerable, yes, but its more because of lack of experience than motor or passion. Didnt you see him slapping the floor last game out of frustration? Kid has heart, no doubt.
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9 in 4 yrs? Not a lot. And signings and waivings- ffs he signed DJ.,Psycho T, Daye, Buycks, Stone because the league requires it for the rosters. But those were basically inconsequential. Look at every team and you'll see the same happening.
9 in 4 is a pretty big deal actually.

We aren't talking exchanging second round picks here either.

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I think saying he has no motor and passion is a big assumption.

Kid has only been in league for 2 years, only had consistant minutes for a half a season and is being asked to guard guys MUCH bigger, stronger and far more savy than he is. PP and JJ are a big load to handle in the playoffs.

Is he vulnerable, yes, but its more because of lack of experience than motor or passion. Didnt you see him slapping the floor last game out of frustration? Kid has heart, no doubt.
Means nothing. Look at his body language. Listen to his words.

I didn't assume anything. I said those were the questions that would make him vulnerable.
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9 in 4 is a pretty big deal actually.

We aren't talking exchanging second round picks here either.

Gay-traded because of the player option and CHEMISTRY questions.
Nene- the only one I think he'd do over
Melo- didn't have a choice so he screwed NY over



Bargnani you cant be serious- long overdue
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Means nothing. Look at his body language. Listen to his words.

I didn't assume anything. I said those were the questions that would make him vulnerable.

Unless I am somehow misreading you specifically said his motor and passion are what makes him vulnerable.

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Ross is the most vulnerable from our starters. It isn't for lack of talent or athleticism, but more around his motor and his passion.
And non of us know what his motor is like at all, it is open for interpretation. I see him hitting the floor, fighting through screens, defending his heart out and looking perturbed when he fucks up and I take that as having heart.

All about perception I guess, I say Demar not getting in the huddle and sitting at end of bench as looking like he was sulking and didnt seem like a wise thing for your "star" to be doing, but as other said he was just doing that to compose himself...so maybe ross slapping the floor and doing the other stuff I mentioned was just reactionary of a different nature.

There certainly isnt much said about ross to be found in articles pertaining to his work ethic and such so its all assumption both ways.
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That was there for humors sake.

but still, Long overdue or not, he moved him, and for dollars on the cents.
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I see Masai aggressively re-signing our top 7, hopefully with Lowry getting no more than 12/per, Vasquez and Patterson something close to the vet minimum, and getting rid of Salmons, Hayes (maybe even Fields) and any other multi-year deals we have, even if it costs some picks, to make sure we're back under the cap when it comes time to shell out for a free agent.

If by some miracle we could keep those three, get under the cap, and convince CB to come back for something like 13-14/per we'd be in the Finals next year. Here's hoping!
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This team, as constructed, has one major offensive flaw - Lowry is the only starter with the decent handle. That's why Casey plays Lowry and Vasquez together so much - the opponents know that disrupting our rather simplistic offence is as easy as pressuring Lowry into giving up the ball. So, if there was a way to get a productive two-way wing with good handle back for DeMar, I'd be all for it. Eventually, if this team is serious about contending, we are going to need us one of those anyway...
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This team, as constructed, has one major offensive flaw - Lowry is the only starter with the decent handle. That's why Casey plays Lowry and Vasquez together so much - the opponents know that disrupting our rather simplistic offence is as easy as pressuring Lowry into giving up the ball. So, if there was a way to get a productive two-way wing with good handle back for DeMar, I'd be all for it. Eventually, if this team is serious about contending, we are going to need us one of those anyway...
First - a shooting guard can't score 20 a game in the NBA without a decent handle. There is no way. You have a mid-20 year old who is the focal point of the opposing defense, he's going to get turnovers, there is room for growth in terms of reading defenses, and situations. He's going to look bad at times going up against multiple defenders and schemes designed to make him play to his weaknesses. There is even room for growth with ball handling, but to suggest he has a below average handle and yet manages to get to the rim like he does, and manages to knock down pull up jimmies off the dribble like he does, makes no sense.

secondly - Lowry gives the ball up to Demar and Ross all the time when he isn't pressured, let alone when he is pressured. There isn't an exteme pressure on Lowry to make a play every time down the court because other players can't handle the ball - that just isn't happening - I have no idea where you see that going on.

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First - a shooting guard can't score 20 a game in the NBA without a decent handle. There is no way. You have a mid-20 year old who is the focal point of the opposing defense, he's going to get turnovers, there is room for growth in terms of reading defenses, and situations. He's going to look bad at times going up against multiple defenders and schemes designed to make him play to his weaknesses. There is even room for growth with ball handling, but to suggest he has a below average handle and yet manages to get to the rim like he does, and manages to knock down pull up jimmies off the dribble like he does, makes no sense.

secondly - Lowry gives the ball up to Demar and Ross all the time when he isn't pressured, let alone when he is pressured. There isn't an exteme pressure on Lowry to make a play every time down the court because other players can't handle the ball - that just isn't happening - I have no idea where you see that going on.
you give demar alot of credit when the system we run is designed to maximize his effectiveness, which he maintains at a league average.

the spacing of every player, the screens, where he catches the ball is much much more systematic than essentially any shooting guard in the league.


what worries me the most is, as most say(unless you are of the minority) that demar is at best a second option, then everything positive you can say about the guy comes from being treated as a first option. second options don't have offenses designed around them, nor to the get such high usage.
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