Arsenalist's Impressions From Last Night's Game
Old 10-08-2008, 11:35 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Arsenalist adds his opinions and thoughts on last night's win against the Cavs.

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After a sluggish and defense-free first half where the Raptors gave up 28 points in the only meaningful quarter, we got our act together and led a third quarter charge ignited by our starters and finished off by our bench. The bench led the assault with Will Solomon and Andrea Bargnani netting 17 and 15, respectively. Mitchell let Solomon play a game-high 32 minutes and he preformed well under constant pressure from the Cavaliers defense (Mo Williams), something which was great early on but eased off as the evening wore on and the enthusiasm for the game shifted into truer presason-mode. Check out the highlights and a good CBS game report.

From all accounts it appears that Bargnani looked confident in his approach while Jermaine O’Neal was working hard at shedding the rust off of his 29 year old body. Andrea Bargnani was a big positive as he led the team in rebounding with 8. At the end of the day its pre-season and the only thing you can read into this performance is that we showed up to win the game and not just stretch our muscles. Its a good approach to have from Day One and hopefully the effort that was present in this game is maintained throughout the season. As Sam Mitchell points out:

“We have a lot of work to do … but we got better as the game progressed. We made a lot of mistake defensively, especially in that first quarter. We can’t give up 28 points in the first quarter. But the effort was there.”

When was the last time a Raptors team was commended for consistent effort? Let’s move on and if you’d like more on the game maybe you can check out SLAM’s take on it. This game does remind us of something: our big-man situation is quite enviable, with Chris Bosh, Jermaine O’Neal, Andrea Bargnani and a resurgent Kris Humphries I think this was the first time in a long time that I felt we could hold our own against the Cleveland bigs (Wallace, Big Z and Varejao). Again, its one game but its better to win than to lose.
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Old 10-08-2008, 11:45 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Our big-man situation is quite enviable. No kidding. I thought that was pretty obvious a couple of months back. Oh well. They still need to build on it towards those playoffs.
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Old 10-08-2008, 12:20 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Arsenalist, were you there?

Did ya drive down?
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I'm not sure if I'm on board with all this "new" Kris Humphries stuff. I'm rooting for the guy, but I don't know... I still expect him to just chuck the ball at the basket on every touch.
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I'm not sure if I'm on board with all this "new" Kris Humphries stuff. I'm rooting for the guy, but I don't know... I still expect him to just chuck the ball at the basket on every touch.
No one's implying he's going to be an all-star in this league, but it the things that don't show up on the scorecard that make Hump as valuable as he is for us. No one's asking him to come up with a cure for cancer, but he does more positive things for this team than negative. Although there are a number of members here that choose to ignore that.
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No one's implying he's going to be an all-star in this league, but it the things that don't show up on the scorecard that make Hump as valuable as he is for us. No one's asking him to come up with a cure for cancer, but he does more positive things for this team than negative. Although there are a number of members here that choose to ignore that.
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Hump will forever be a benchie. He would indeed be far more valuable to the team if he kept his offense into the flow of the game. If he could just stop forcing shots I would give him a parade.
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Hump will forever be a benchie. He would indeed be far more valuable to the team if he kept his offense into the flow of the game. If he could just stop forcing shots I would give him a parade.
Fuck ... you act like he's a focal point on offense with this team.

Sure he's taken stupid shots, but that doesn't take away that he was probably the most consistent rebounder on this team last season, not to mention hustles his ass either creating turnovers or making blocks or steals himself. I'm not saying he should be a starter or get 30+ minutes per game, but to say he's doing more harm than good on this team is pure ignorance.
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Fuck ... you act like he's a focal point on offense with this team.

Sure he's taken stupid shots, but that doesn't take away that he was probably the most consistent rebounder on this team last season, not to mention hustles his ass either creating turnovers or making blocks or steals himself. I'm not saying he should be a starter or get 30+ minutes per game, but to say he's doing more harm than good on this team is pure ignorance.
I never once said he does more harm then good.

I only state, and this is the last time, that if he would stop with those shot, hell, even cut them in half, he would be nothing but value, and huge value at that. He does so many things good that it infuriates me that something that he should easily remedy seem to go without.
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I only state, and this is the last time, that if he would stop with those shot, hell, even cut them in half, he would be nothing but value, and huge value at that. He does so many things good that it infuriates me that something that he should easily remedy seem to go without.
And that's fine, but that's happening maybe 4 to 5 times a game (shots that it ... not talking about quality of those shots) ... if that. It's not like he taking 10+ shots per game. If the opportunity presents itself why not take the shot?
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There are plenty of guys his age that could easily remedy easy things, and they just don't. I actually think that mentally he has come pretty far. Last season, he was forced out of his ordinary role quite a bit, with Bosh down, and Andrea out of sorts. He wasn't the only guy that was hurt by that. But he's got a great chance right now. If he doesn't take advantage of this situation, with plenty of talent to learn from and play off of, then I think it's fair to judge him accordingly.
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And that's fine, but that's happening maybe 4 to 5 times a game (shots that it ... not talking about quality of those shots) ... if that. It's not like he taking 10+ shots per game. If the opportunity presents itself why not take the shot?
Agreed, if he is open I have alot of faith that he can make the shot. its the shots he takes when he isnt open that make me cringe
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Agreed, if he is open I have alot of faith that he can make the shot. its the shots he takes when he isnt open that make me cringe
It's a lot like the criticisms against TJ. But the problem gets magnified out of proportion, and without recognizing that the origins of the problem go beyond the individual player, and before you go there - beyond the coaching. Last season was not a great one for looking for solid, disciplined play. Now Sam could actually pull a Carlisle and simply insist that everything needs to go into Bosh and O'Neal, and that everyone else should only shoot when they hear Sam yelling "shoot", but that doesn't make for smart players. Hump's got a real chance to become a pretty smart player now. Let's see how it goes.
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It's a lot like the criticisms against TJ. But the problem gets magnified out of proportion, and without recognizing that the origins of the problem go beyond the individual player, and before you go there - beyond the coaching. Last season was not a great one for looking for solid, disciplined play. Now Sam could actually pull a Carlisle and simply insist that everything needs to go into Bosh and O'Neal, and that everyone else should only shoot when they hear Sam yelling "shoot", but that doesn't make for smart players. Hump's got a real chance to become a pretty smart player now. Let's see how it goes.
I hope he does., I like what he has the ability to bring to the team and I hope he is willing to be the guy who does the dirty work.
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Traded Haffa.

Got Hump.

His rebounds, and points per 48 are damn good.

He doesn't bitch.

He plays hard, always.

Fuck you guys, if ya ask me, he earns his shots. He just needs to;

1. Make them.
2. If he can't make um, choose them a little better.

Both scenario's are 100% attainable with increased playing time, experience, and maturity!
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Honestly Humps is quickly becoming my fav player on the raptors, not in terms of skill but in terms of heart and hustle, if he can tone down the shot selection errors i dont see why he cant get 8-15min of burn a game.
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2. If he can't make um, choose them a little better.
I don't need he hits all his shots, just that he shots what he can do in a consistant basis.

That's the only problem I have with Humps. But it's a big problem, because if he shots in a bad way the most of his offensive rebounds, then his abbility to get them is almost useless. If it's just once from time to time, it's all good.
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Agree with you Ugo.
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Traded Haffa.

Got Hump.

His rebounds, and points per 48 are damn good.

He doesn't bitch.

He plays hard, always.

Fuck you guys, if ya ask me, he earns his shots. He just needs to;

1. Make them.
2. If he can't make um, choose them a little better.

Both scenario's are 100% attainable with increased playing time, experience, and maturity!
Piss on that, increased playing time will not teach him how to take smarter shots, maturity will.

Give him a book and 13 minutes a game.

And before anyone gets all defensive:
I like Hump and I know he is what he is, but its still frustrating to me.
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No one's implying he's going to be an all-star in this league, but it the things that don't show up on the scorecard that make Hump as valuable as he is for us. No one's asking him to come up with a cure for cancer, but he does more positive things for this team than negative. Although there are a number of members here that choose to ignore that.
I wasn't implying he can be that guy either. The new Kris Humphries that I was referring to is a player that can bring energy off the bench, get some rebounds and garbage buckets, and of course, not waste possessions.

Is that possible from him? Entirely, but not until he starts to show more discipline in his decision making and I don't get the impression he's on the way to doing that right now.
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Moon and Hump.
I don't know why it bothers you Snooch that they're shooting 50% from the floor and doing the dirty work.
Not to mention that they're the ones who won the game for us.
(Moon 3 when we're down 1 and Hump putback slam+block)
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