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Old 10-24-2008, 08:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Would you agree or disagree with Arsenalist's take on Smitch and this team?

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Mitchell’s talents and skills are probably somewhere between Darrell Walker and Butch Carter’s. He’s definitely got more control of the team than what Walker had and he’s simply not as sharp a basketball mind that Carter was. (On a side note, how Butch Carter never got another league coaching gig is beyond me) So given what we’ve seen of Mitchell over the last four seasons, is he on the threshold of finally becoming a coach that can actually get the majority approval of fans? Remember, there has rarely been a time when this was actually true. My personal opinion is no, he won’t and I can point to his playbook, his arrogance, his refusal to admit that he’s wrong, his know-it-all attitude, his substitutions, his handing of rotations, allocating player time, resource utilization etc. As you can see the man has shown us a lot of his flaws over the last little while.

If you’re asked to look at his strengths the first thing you’ll come up with is that he’s a great motivator, a no-nonsense type of coach that doesn’t stand for drops in effort and brings the lunch-pail mentality to the club. In other words he does as a coach what he did as a player. Although hi positive traits don’t come close to making up for what he’s shown to lack, this observer thinks that if he was actually just able to instill this kind of attitude in this team I’d be satisfied! That’s it! The most disappointing thing about Mitchell isn’t that he started Andrea Bargnani at a position he’s never played before in Game 1 of the playoffs but the fact that he’s so far been unable to get this team to play the hard-nosed type of basketball that he himself played.

Let’s forget about the X’s and O’s and yanking of players for no reason, let’s just look at the attitude and on-court personality of the Raptors. Do they resemble Sam Mitchell the player at all? Who on the Raptors could be considered a “lunch pail” type of player? Humphries is about it and he’s the 7th guy in the rotation at best. I care about wins and losses as much as I do about the personality of this team, I enjoyed watching Sharone Wright and Reggie Slater work their asses of while the team went 16-66 but somehow I don’t get the same feeling here even though this team will probably make the playoffs for a third year in a row. How do you explain this? Why hasn’t Sam Mitchell been able to instill the toughness, character and grit in this team that comes so naturally to him? He was hired primarily because of that and yet four years later we’re basically the same lost souls that we were back then.

Now you might say that he’s been handed the wrong team. That Colangelo’s vision doesn’t jive with Mitchell’s ways and that you can’t teach pigs how to fly or in this case Colangelo picked players how to play the Mitchell way. It even might be a valid argument up until last year but coming into this season things have changed. Mitchell has been handed an All-Star and two potential All-Stars to get the job done. O’Neal’s a hard-working and tough low-post player that fits the Mitchell mold of player and we already know about Chris Bosh. There’s no doubt the bench is weak but you can’t ask for everything, at some point you’re going to have to earn your money and produce more with less, after all that’s what coaches get paid for. Mitchell’s been given enough ammunition to prove if he can actually take a team with both talent and flaws to the next level by hiding the latter and highlighting the former. If he can’t do it now, he won’t have any excuses.
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Old 10-24-2008, 09:18 AM   #2 (permalink)
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at some point you’re going to have to earn your money and produce more with less, after all that’s what coaches get paid for.
ding ding ding! all the great ones do this. Great read. The fact the team still makes the same mental gaffs despite the changing roster has always frustrated me as a fan. Pretty bang on in my opinion.
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Old 10-24-2008, 09:33 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I haven't always agreed with Sam's decisions and rotations, but the constant blaming of him entirely over the years was really getting tiring. That being said though, if he can't get the best of this team early in the season and struggles then I think it might be time for Colangelo and company to bite the bullet and start sourcing for other options. (if he hasn't already started)

Good read by the way Arse.
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Old 10-24-2008, 09:50 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Good coach, bad team or bad team, good coach?
Might I suggest perhaps a third option? Something like "so-so team, bad coach"?
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Old 10-24-2008, 10:22 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Smitch will never bring this team to a level that us fans want, he cant even bring the team withing 12 wins of where us fans want.

This season is gonna be like a controlled science experiment, like Arse said, Smitch now has "his type of player" so if he still cant coach his type of guys, he has got to go. No more excuses MOFO, dont let the door hit ya.....
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Old 10-24-2008, 11:59 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Pretty good coach,pretty good team!

Neither are great,but neither are bad.
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Old 10-24-2008, 01:02 PM   #7 (permalink)
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How do you know that Sam decided to play Andrea in playoff at a position he's never played (which is not true since Andrea played that position in first year in NBA)? It may be Colangelo's call!

"he most disappointing thing about Mitchell isn’t that he started Andrea Bargnani at a position he’s never played "

Sam is not bad, but is not very good either. For few years, he was exactly what Raptors needed. He build the core of this team, but I have mixed feelings about his ability to push further Raptors as basketball team. He doesn't have the experience to get the most of his players as a team and to exploit opposite flaws. He usually reacts, (too late sometimes) and Raptors needs a proactive coach not a reactive one (like Sam).
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Old 10-24-2008, 01:11 PM   #8 (permalink)
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ok.

who?

I mean really, who?
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Old 10-24-2008, 01:12 PM   #9 (permalink)
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ok.

who?

I mean really, who?
who what?
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Old 10-24-2008, 01:26 PM   #10 (permalink)
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it's irrelevant - if we don't win this season , sam is gone.
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Old 10-24-2008, 01:31 PM   #11 (permalink)
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ok.

who?

I mean really, who?
Your asking a coach? How about Bill Laimbeer? (No kidding)
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Old 10-24-2008, 01:47 PM   #12 (permalink)
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who does colangelo replace mitchell with? Who can get things done with THIS talent?
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Old 10-24-2008, 02:01 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Old 10-24-2008, 02:34 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Laimbeer....he's nuts.

JVG? The undead? Ya maybe.

I like the guy in Utah, he's good.

Doc Rivers is good too.

They have jobs though.

Personally I dont know...
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Rudy Tomjanovich, if he'll come back to coaching.....
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We need a prominent strategist and tactician, a basketball mind, not just an inspirational figure.

I've advocated Blatt in the past. Messina would have been just as nice.

The only problem with bringing one of the top Euro coaches to Toronto would be the unknown reaction the players would have to such a radical change in coaching style.
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We need a prominent strategist and tactician, a basketball mind, not just an inspirational figure.

I've advocated Blatt in the past. Messina would have been just as nice.

The only problem with bringing one of the top Euro coaches to Toronto would be the unknown reaction the players would have to such a radical change in coaching style.
And the reverse of that could also be said.
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avery johnson would be great for this team
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I think this is good team, bad coach and if Sam gets fired, bring in Triano(I joke)
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avery johnson would be great for this team
Avery is guilty of all the same things people abhor with Mitchell.
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