Arsenalist: "Celtics shove it right up Raptors’ arse"

Dr. J. Naismith · 11-11-2008, 09:51 AM

I think Arsenalist is a little upset this morning.

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Originally Posted by Arsenalist

Well that fucking sucked, eh? I don’t know what’s worse, getting blown out completely or blowing out the other team for the first half and then choking your chicken in the second. The first half was too good to be true, our movement was too perfect, the scoring was too balanced, our execution too sound, it was nothing like the real Raptors. You just knew it wasn’t going to last for two reasons: 1) The second half is where the pressure is at and 2) We weren’t getting production from Bosh. No matter how good the supporting cast is playing, road games against great teams are won by your superstars. Paul Pierce stepped up the scoring for the Celtics in the fourth quarter and our superstar got neutralized by Kevin Garnett. Again. And once more the overarching reason for the loss was the pathetic fourth quarter offense that resembled that of a middle-school JV team.

Paul Pierce had 22 points in the fourth quarter. Chris Bosh had 0. Box. In fact, he had 2 points in the entire second half and took only one shot. Let me say that I’m thankful to Bosh for saving us against the Bobcats and coming through against Golden State and hitting tons of clutch shots for us this year but all that doesn’t mean a damn thing if you don’t even wake up for the big games. This right here was a big game and we needed him, we needed his scoring, his intensity, his leadership and his passion and we got nothing. Jermaine O’Neal carried the team in the first half and Jason Kapono did all that’s in his power to keep the offense chugging along in the second half. Jose Calderon didn’t have a great game but when you have Kevin Garnett’s sweating dripping on your face you’re going to look at your big man for help and when its not there, you’re going to struggle. Even Joey Graham and Kris Humphries came off the bench to give us a spark. The guy that was missing was Chris Bosh and what made things even worse was that Garnett was bringing the intensity, trash talking every Raptor, D’ing up Bosh on the perimeter, fronting him in the post, playing him physical and we didn’t manage a whimper in response. We just sat there and took it. Fucking disgusting. Chris Bosh, go look yourself hard in the mirror tonight.

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Superjudge · 11-11-2008, 11:09 AM

I agree.

I have said it for years, Bosh is not a big game guy.

griffthecat · 11-11-2008, 11:13 AM

The big difference is pierce got plays run for him the entire 4th qtr like a good team tends to do. We kept going to JO and Kapono. Bosh can't do anything without the ball and Mitchell didn't give it to him plain and simple. CB can't take the blame for last night... it's ALL on Mitchell

MikeToronto · 11-11-2008, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by griffthecat

The big difference is pierce got plays run for him the entire 4th qtr like a good team tends to do. We kept going to JO and Kapono. Bosh can't do anything without the ball and Mitchell didn't give it to him plain and simple. CB can't take the blame for last night... it's ALL on Mitchell

Pierce did not get any plays run for him, unless you count Sam Mitchell's decision to keep Kapono on him "running a play".

He got the ball at the top of the key, isolated against poor Kapono, and drove it towards the basket for a foul, time and time again. If that's playcalling, then I am a ballerina at Bolshoi.

insight_tor · 11-11-2008, 11:32 AM

Let's take the pitchforks and drive him out of Toronto ... it happen before, it will happen again, media will turn against their franchise player; no wander many sees CB4 already in a different uniform in 2010. Guess what? That's the best we got, there is not going to be a better player than CB4 in Toronto uniform anytime soon. Let's hope he will came back next game and play wonderful, stop trashing him.

moremilk · 11-11-2008, 01:11 PM

in CB's defense, big guys are usually not big game guys ... Especially if your main weapon is the jumper. I mean, KG has a nice jumper for a big man, but I'd take Pierce over him anytime shooting anything from 18ft+ ... The only time when Bosh should have the ball in his hands in the final seconds, is if he's certain he will be double teamed (liked Milwaukee did), so he can find an open man. Otherwise, it's going to end with a 20ft contested jumper which he probably makes 20% of the time at best.

**Ball Don't Lie** · 11-11-2008, 01:21 PM

Yeah but the way Boston was defending the post, they were giving single coverage for the most part if you were backing down, but in CB's case since he was facing up he had no room because if he tried a dribble drive theyd collapse, but if he just tried to back down then theyd have to commit which would lead to open shooters. This is why JO was so successful yesterday becaus he could score on backdown moves, Bosh couldnt because KG is so tough to back down and if he tried to drive Rondo would be in his lap.

I guess thats why bck to the basket guys are so damn valuable. But still ,CB should have been fighting for the ball either way, and he didnt. Worst case scenario is he tries to drive and they reach in and we get some foul calls really, if he did indeed get the ball. Bosh has got to fight harder next time vs KG, no excuses.

moremilk · 11-11-2008, 06:47 PM

Anyway - I think it's extremely questionable for Bosh to say this in public. You never question the coach, especially when as the franchise player, the door to him is probably always open. My guess is that Bosh didn't mean it, he was just talking without thinking, voicing his frustration ...

Superjudge · 11-11-2008, 06:55 PM

he should watch the game tape.

he might feel shame.

LX · 11-11-2008, 06:59 PM

Bosh said today that he was criticizing Sam. If you read his comments that is true. He starts off saying He thought he could be better utilized, but immediately corrects himself so as to not be misunderstood - saying he could better utilize himself. But Feshuk of all people heard what he wanted to hear.

Anyone who knows how Bosh thinks in terms of the whole team can see that Bosh was expressing shit about himself within the context of the whole team, and not making it entirely about himself, or his coach. And that was the story that Feshuk missed. But who needs the truth?

**Belsius** · 11-11-2008, 07:14 PM

Both are to blame. As mentioned, Bosh should not dissapear in big games, but Sam using the same play over and over and over again doesnt help.

JO looking to score in every play and not passing to the perimeter when challenged by good defense should be mentioned too.

Ugo Ferst · 11-11-2008, 07:46 PM

As far as i saw, Sam's plan of using Bosh as a "decoy" was working great, til we decided to not D up....

Ppl have been complaining all year about him playing too many min on here, and in back to back games with a big lead Smitch gives him a rest, we lose and ppl complain... maybe he knew Chris had little to nothing to give at that point?

Let me add, many a great player has taken shots on plays that werent designed for them, they just do it.

TORaptor4Ever · 11-11-2008, 08:03 PM

Chris was resting ALL GAME LONG while his teammates were getting is done for the firs 3 Q's.... is it too much to ask that he dominate for the last 5-8 min of the game?

moremilk · 11-12-2008, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugo Ferst

As far as i saw, Sam's plan of using Bosh as a "decoy" was working great, til we decided to not D up....

Ppl have been complaining all year about him playing too many min on here, and in back to back games with a big lead Smitch gives him a rest, we lose and ppl complain... maybe he knew Chris had little to nothing to give at that point?

Let me add, many a great player has taken shots on plays that werent designed for them, they just do it.

fact is, mitchell and Bosh already said that it was a game tactic, so I'm not sure what your point is .... It wasn't done with the purpose of resting Bosh. And it's one thing to use this as a decoy for the final play of the game, and another to do it for a full quarter. Having your best player stay on his ass for 12 minutes is hardly making best use of your abilities as a team.

Snooch · 11-12-2008, 03:13 PM

Bosh should never ever be used as a decoy, if thats what he is here for trade him for Rip and Sheed.

Mitchell needs to be shipped the fuck out, plain and simple, to even suggest that he was going to use his franchise player as a decoy against the best team is absolutly ridiculous. Yes Bosh disappears at times but thats the Raptors. I would rather him taking the shots is a big game than anyone else.

L.A. is killing it right now because Kobe is being used as a decoy......:rollseyes:

Fuck Sam.

LX · 11-12-2008, 03:31 PM

Sam did not use Bosh as a decoy. That was Bosh's poor description of what was going on. Sam merely accepted the advantage gained from Garnett overplaying Bosh on the pick and roll.

Gurk · 11-12-2008, 05:46 PM

WTF Bosh can't be a decoy. if anyone on the team is a decoy it's JO. But Bosh no way

Ugo Ferst · 11-12-2008, 05:55 PM

When the entire strategy of the other team is to shut down CB4, it's really not a bad idea imo.... all you guys are just mentioning the 4th.... nice of you not to mention how we were taking most of the game to them with this tactic.

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11-11-2008, 11:09 AM	#2 (permalink)
Superjudge is pounding the rock! Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 17,390 Representing:	I agree. I have said it for years, Bosh is not a big game guy.

11-11-2008, 11:13 AM	#3 (permalink)
griffthecat is pounding the rock! Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: toronto Posts: 204 Representing:	The big difference is pierce got plays run for him the entire 4th qtr like a good team tends to do. We kept going to JO and Kapono. Bosh can't do anything without the ball and Mitchell didn't give it to him plain and simple. CB can't take the blame for last night... it's ALL on Mitchell

11-11-2008, 11:32 AM	#5 (permalink)
insight_tor is a Triano's fan The friendly neighbor Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,076 Representing:	Let's take the pitchforks and drive him out of Toronto ... it happen before, it will happen again, media will turn against their franchise player; no wander many sees CB4 already in a different uniform in 2010. Guess what? That's the best we got, there is not going to be a better player than CB4 in Toronto uniform anytime soon. Let's hope he will came back next game and play wonderful, stop trashing him.

11-11-2008, 01:11 PM	#6 (permalink)
moremilk is whatever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: toronto Posts: 7,086 Representing:	in CB's defense, big guys are usually not big game guys ... Especially if your main weapon is the jumper. I mean, KG has a nice jumper for a big man, but I'd take Pierce over him anytime shooting anything from 18ft+ ... The only time when Bosh should have the ball in his hands in the final seconds, is if he's certain he will be double teamed (liked Milwaukee did), so he can find an open man. Otherwise, it's going to end with a 20ft contested jumper which he probably makes 20% of the time at best.

11-11-2008, 01:21 PM	#7 (permalink)
Ball Don't Lie is praying Drummond doesnt haunt us forever. Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 8,858 Representing:	Yeah but the way Boston was defending the post, they were giving single coverage for the most part if you were backing down, but in CB's case since he was facing up he had no room because if he tried a dribble drive theyd collapse, but if he just tried to back down then theyd have to commit which would lead to open shooters. This is why JO was so successful yesterday becaus he could score on backdown moves, Bosh couldnt because KG is so tough to back down and if he tried to drive Rondo would be in his lap. I guess thats why bck to the basket guys are so damn valuable. But still ,CB should have been fighting for the ball either way, and he didnt. Worst case scenario is he tries to drive and they reach in and we get some foul calls really, if he did indeed get the ball. Bosh has got to fight harder next time vs KG, no excuses.

11-11-2008, 06:47 PM	#8 (permalink)
moremilk is whatever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: toronto Posts: 7,086 Representing:	Anyway - I think it's extremely questionable for Bosh to say this in public. You never question the coach, especially when as the franchise player, the door to him is probably always open. My guess is that Bosh didn't mean it, he was just talking without thinking, voicing his frustration ...

11-11-2008, 06:55 PM	#9 (permalink)
Superjudge is pounding the rock! Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 17,390 Representing:	he should watch the game tape. he might feel shame.

11-11-2008, 06:59 PM	#10 (permalink)
LX is boycotting boy cots In the Paint Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 23,334 Representing:	Bosh said today that he was criticizing Sam. If you read his comments that is true. He starts off saying He thought he could be better utilized, but immediately corrects himself so as to not be misunderstood - saying he could better utilize himself. But Feshuk of all people heard what he wanted to hear. Anyone who knows how Bosh thinks in terms of the whole team can see that Bosh was expressing shit about himself within the context of the whole team, and not making it entirely about himself, or his coach. And that was the story that Feshuk missed. But who needs the truth?

11-11-2008, 07:14 PM	#11 (permalink)
Belsius is a paranoid android My name is Iñigo Montoya Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 10,492 Representing:	Both are to blame. As mentioned, Bosh should not dissapear in big games, but Sam using the same play over and over and over again doesnt help. JO looking to score in every play and not passing to the perimeter when challenged by good defense should be mentioned too.

11-11-2008, 07:46 PM	#12 (permalink)
Ugo Ferst is pounding the rock! Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4,312 Representing:	As far as i saw, Sam's plan of using Bosh as a "decoy" was working great, til we decided to not D up.... Ppl have been complaining all year about him playing too many min on here, and in back to back games with a big lead Smitch gives him a rest, we lose and ppl complain... maybe he knew Chris had little to nothing to give at that point? Let me add, many a great player has taken shots on plays that werent designed for them, they just do it.

11-11-2008, 08:03 PM	#13 (permalink)
TORaptor4Ever is embracing change Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 15,063 Representing:	Chris was resting ALL GAME LONG while his teammates were getting is done for the firs 3 Q's.... is it too much to ask that he dominate for the last 5-8 min of the game?

11-12-2008, 03:13 PM	#15 (permalink)
Snooch is Kobe i's the b'y Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: In the Paint Posts: 7,813 Representing:	Bosh should never ever be used as a decoy, if thats what he is here for trade him for Rip and Sheed. Mitchell needs to be shipped the fuck out, plain and simple, to even suggest that he was going to use his franchise player as a decoy against the best team is absolutly ridiculous. Yes Bosh disappears at times but thats the Raptors. I would rather him taking the shots is a big game than anyone else. L.A. is killing it right now because Kobe is being used as a decoy......:rollseyes: Fuck Sam.

11-12-2008, 03:31 PM	#16 (permalink)
LX is boycotting boy cots In the Paint Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 23,334 Representing:	Sam did not use Bosh as a decoy. That was Bosh's poor description of what was going on. Sam merely accepted the advantage gained from Garnett overplaying Bosh on the pick and roll.

11-12-2008, 05:46 PM	#17 (permalink)
Gurk is one sexy motherfucker you ain't bout that life Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,677 Representing:	WTF Bosh can't be a decoy. if anyone on the team is a decoy it's JO. But Bosh no way

11-12-2008, 05:55 PM	#18 (permalink)
Ugo Ferst is pounding the rock! Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4,312 Representing:	When the entire strategy of the other team is to shut down CB4, it's really not a bad idea imo.... all you guys are just mentioning the 4th.... nice of you not to mention how we were taking most of the game to them with this tactic.