Arsenalist: Bosh effort wasted as Magic beat Raps. Again.
Old 11-19-2008, 12:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Arse's summary regarding last night's game.

My favourite quote from Arse was: "Blaming the loss on Will is unfair. Letís face it: he sucks."

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Let me give an example, we were shooting 65% at one point in the second quarter and were only up by 5. The Magic at this point were shooting 38 percent. You knew that the percentages would eventually even out and thatís when you rued the early turnovers and felt that we shouldvíe been up by at least 15 if we had a backup PG who could go a full minute without a turnover. But hey, it wouldnít have mattered. The Raptors have made it a business of opening double-digit first half leads only to fold late in the second quarter and unravel in the third and this wasnít much different. Check the box.

So what went wrong. Letís start with dribble penetration, the point of attack for the Magic wasnít Hedo going at Bargnani, it was Jameer Nelson going at Will Solomon. Solomon continued to make a serious mistake all game long which went uncorrected by Mitchell: on every Magic high screen he either ended up trailing Nelson or getting caught behind the screen on the wrong side of the pick allowing Nelson free space to shoot, pass or drive. Once you allow that much space to even a slightly above average PG like Jameer Nelson heíll gladly go 9-13 for 20 points. See, Mario Chalmers hasnít learned to do that yet. To make matters worse Solomon failed to make a single entry pass into the post to any one of Bargnani, OíNeal or Bosh which meant our offense always started outside-in rather than the other way around. We failed to fully capitalize on the Magicís slow start and a lot of it has to do with Solomonís play. BTW, if you didnít watch the game this hilarious play right here sums up Solomonís night. Matt Devlinís reaction is priceless. Bosh on the turnovers:

ďThatís what did us in, we have to take care of the ball. I think if we do that we get a few more shots and you convert those turnovers into points that would not be much of a lead at all. We have cherish that ball, cherish every possession.Ē

Blaming the loss on Will is unfair. Letís face it: he sucks. And to ask anything much of a player of that caliber is unfair. The question to ask is what happened to Bargnani and Parker? Bargnani went 2-9 for 5 points and 3 rebounds and Parker goes 2-6 with 4 points. Parker also went to bed safe in the knowledge that he got outplayed by JJ Redick. Yes, JJ F***ing Reddick. Bargnani was never given the ball in a position where he could slash to the rim like he did against Miami nor was he ever given a single post-up opportunity. Granted, Jose Calderon not being there considerably affects the ball movement but there needs to be a game-plan to get people the ball in good positions. Iím used to seeing Parker suck so it doesnít bother me too much, but seeing Bargnani take only 2 first half shots stinks of a crappy game plan and one that doesnít build on his success two days earlier. The fear coming into the game was whether Bargnani was going to be exploited by Hedo. That didnít happen at all because the Magic were busy killing us at the PG spot to bother with that matchup, why we never looked to get him involved in the game is a mystery. Having said that, getting only three rebounds is pathetic and if you got an open look from four feet, you take the shot, not chicken out.
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Old 11-19-2008, 12:34 PM   #2 (permalink)
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fire sam mitchell

the guy does not know how to utilize andrea bargnani

how can you develop a 1st round draft pick so poorly is out of question for me.

DRIVE TO THE FUCKING BASKET..... BARGS...
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Old 11-19-2008, 12:38 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Old 11-19-2008, 12:40 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Old 11-19-2008, 12:41 PM   #5 (permalink)
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sam mitchell shold be fired just for making andrea barganani the next kwame brown
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Old 11-19-2008, 12:46 PM   #6 (permalink)
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phoenix, AB is not the next kwame as he still has talent. brown has none left! not sure he had any other than being really tall in high school, i guess that is really all you need to be drafted at 18 these days! if you are firing Smitch, it's because he has no respect in the locker room any more. or has no clue what he is doing. either work for me as the product on the floor reflects the team space! and it sux
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Old 11-19-2008, 12:47 PM   #7 (permalink)
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yea we really need to bring in a coach that can develop Bargnani the right way and impose a better system

avery johnson comes to mind

no i am very disappointed in andrea Bargnani but i am his supportor just yesterday i cannot take it anymore of his consistency

so far yes he is a friggen bust to me until he proves me wrong.

9 ppg for a 3rd year 1st overall pick is a bust.
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Old 11-19-2008, 12:54 PM   #8 (permalink)
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you won't hear me argue with that comment phoenix. I would love to see avery on the sideline. maybe he could dress!
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Old 11-19-2008, 01:03 PM   #9 (permalink)
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yea we really need to bring in a coach that can develop Bargnani the right way and impose a better system

avery johnson comes to mind

no i am very disappointed in andrea Bargnani but i am his supportor just yesterday i cannot take it anymore of his consistency

so far yes he is a friggen bust to me until he proves me wrong.

9 ppg for a 3rd year 1st overall pick is a bust.

Avery Johnson? Yeah that'll do the trick?
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Old 11-19-2008, 02:17 PM   #10 (permalink)
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yea we really need to bring in a coach that can develop Bargnani the right way and impose a better system

avery johnson comes to mind

no i am very disappointed in andrea Bargnani but i am his supportor just yesterday i cannot take it anymore of his consistency

so far yes he is a friggen bust to me until he proves me wrong.

9 ppg for a 3rd year 1st overall pick is a bust.
it would be a bust in other draft years, but if you look at that 2006, only aldridge, roy and gay are scoring more than Andreea (I think). So yeah - 9ppg is not something to write home about, but keep in mind he's doing it in just 22 minutes of play, with a high FG% and with good defense. And nobody can't argue that he's just beginning to scratch the surface of his abilities.

As for inconsistency, again, while it can't be argued, it can still be justified. For once, he's moved around like a pinball, today's he's guarding daequan cook, tomorrow he's guarding Howard (in the first quarter) and then Turkoglu in the 3rd. Andreea got two early fouls in the first quarter when Sam had him on Howard for some reason, despite JO being in the game and doing a superb job on Dwight (another mystifying decision by Sam). If you remember correctly, he started the game well, he had our first basket I think. But once he got in foul trouble, he could never get back into a rhythm.
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Old 11-19-2008, 02:27 PM   #11 (permalink)
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yea we really need to bring in a coach that can develop Bargnani the right way and impose a better system

avery johnson comes to mind

no i am very disappointed in andrea Bargnani but i am his supportor just yesterday i cannot take it anymore of his consistency

so far yes he is a friggen bust to me until he proves me wrong.

9 ppg for a 3rd year 1st overall pick is a bust.
Avery Johnson has a similar style to Sam. Loud, fiery and a very emotional type coach. I'm not saying Avery and Sam are in the same class but what I am saying is usually when you fire a coach you don't hire one with similar styles.

As of Bargnani, your on him for so long I think you should write an article about it. As moremilk mentioned with the class of that year Bargnani shouldn't be classified as a bust but hey if you say so you reall don't have to say it again I'm sure everyone knows that your off the Bargnani bandwagon.
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Does everyone remember that Doc Rivers had one of the worst teams in the NBA then he gets KG and Allen and he wins the title. A lot of it has to do with the players. Phil Jackson has had MJ, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe. Coaches can't do it by themselves, the have to be met half way.
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I'd rather get Flip or try to get Thibadeu(sp) from the Celts
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I kind of think what sam is doing to Bargs will screw him. We really need somone that will develope Andrea Bargs. This can really help us.

So depressing...
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Funny, if you read Mavericks fan threads over the last couple years, Avery was asmuch a villian as Sam, only with more talent around him.
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Old 11-19-2008, 08:17 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Does everyone remember that Doc Rivers had one of the worst teams in the NBA then he gets KG and Allen and he wins the title. A lot of it has to do with the players. Phil Jackson has had MJ, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe. Coaches can't do it by themselves, the have to be met half way.
Doc Rivers led a Magic team to the playoffs years ago that had no business being there.

Terry Porter did the same thing with MIL.

There's no fucking WAY that this is a .500 team.

No way.
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