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Old 12-10-2010, 06:38 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Old 12-10-2010, 06:45 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Yeah, I know. That was just a JOKE.
I don't care if Bargs takes 4-5 rebonds a game. Amir, Reggie, Davis or Kleiza are great rebounders and it make the balance.
I like Bargs.
That's what I'm talkin' about!!! Holla atcha boy!
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Old 12-10-2010, 06:52 PM   #23 (permalink)
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sheezus - where did I say I was being objective? I simply wish the mofo had played hard and played well when it counted. Excuse me for that.

moremilk is a genius for loving a guy that sucked in big games. there ya go milky. congrats.

now somebody tell me it wouldn't be much nicer to see the guy saying that he's going to do all he can to ensure they have a chance to move beyond nothing. Am I really so misguided to want that? Really?
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Old 12-10-2010, 07:01 PM   #24 (permalink)
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sheezus - where did I say I was being objective? I simply wish the mofo had played hard and played well when it counted. Excuse me for that.

moremilk is a genius for loving a guy that sucked in big games. there ya go milky. congrats.

now somebody tell me it wouldn't be much nicer to see the guy saying that he's going to do all he can to ensure they have a chance to move beyond nothing. Am I really so misguided to want that? Really?
No... you're not. lol.... but apprently my POV is taken no more seriously than yours. Just more "blind Bosh love".

I said it last season and I'll continue to say it now.... Bargs can have one or two good games and have people lining up to fellate him.

Bosh could have one or two BAD games and he's labelled a "choker"... "not a franchise player" etc... Anyone remember how pissed off some people were when he missed that lay-up against GS and we lost? After the guy notched 44 + 13 and CARRIED us through that whole damn game???

All I heard last season was... "Bosh doesn't try defensively"... "He only cares about stats".... "He can't finish games"... "He's a butterfingers"... "He can't pass out of double-teams"...

Does Bargs do ANY of these things on a consistent basis??? Why the hell do people continue to highlight all of Bosh's faults while refusing to hear ANY criticism at all about Andrea?

I'd really like to know.

And LX is as objective as they come. I've been sharing messageboards with him for the better part of 5-7 years now. He's been very clear about what he wants from Bargs (as have I)... and both of us have come forward to express our pleasure when he's played well. Suggesting otherwise is just plain wrong.
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No... you're not. lol.... but apprently my POV is taken no more seriously than yours. Just more "blind Bosh love".

I said it last season and I'll continue to say it now.... Bargs can have one or two good games and have people lining up to fellate him.

Bosh could have one or two BAD games and he's labelled a "choker"... "not a franchise player" etc... Anyone remember how pissed off some people were when he missed that lay-up against GS and we lost? After the guy notched 44 + 13 and CARRIED us through that whole damn game???

All I heard last season was... "Bosh doesn't try defensively"... "He only cares about stats".... "He can't finish games"... "He's a butterfingers"... "He can't pass out of double-teams"...

Does Bargs do ANY of these things on a consistent basis??? Why the hell do people continue to highlight all of Bosh's faults while refusing to hear ANY criticism at all about Andrea?

I'd really like to know.

And LX is as objective as they come. I've been sharing messageboards with him for the better part of 5-7 years now. He's been very clear about what he wants from Bargs (as have I)... and both of us have come forward to express our pleasure when he's played well. Suggesting otherwise is just plain wrong.
you're right... your opinion is worthless.... lol.... jokes.

Many people forgave Bosh for his shortcomings... it will be interesting if they will for AB.... most haven't to this point. Nobody can argue that AB receives far more criticism than Bosh ever has.
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Yeah - see - I'm over all the shit and abuse that Bosh took. The truth is that I consistent;ly said that he still needed to prove his mettle as a playoff performer before anyone could make terribly big claims about him, and when it looked like he was carrying the team to a playoff showing, I was excited to see how it would turn out. Shameful, I know.

I also know that I was assured that this team was going to be better without Bosh for all kinds of crazy reasons.

But this is about Andrea. I'm on board with this guy if he can perform like he has for a few games this season. But honestly - this quote just makes me feel like he is never going to get it. Which maybe just means that he's a well-balanced human being, and I applaud him for that. But he could still make sure that he flips a switch once he's on the court. I don't typically like to make too much out of quotes, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and look for that switch to be flipped.

He does still need to be held accountable for losing games last season. Trying to lay that on another guy exclusively is pure bullshit. But it is over and done. If he can make me forget, I'll forgive in a nano-second, without even trying to know what an objective response would be.
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All I heard last season was... "Bosh doesn't try defensively"... "He only cares about stats".... "He can't finish games"... "He's a butterfingers"... "He can't pass out of double-teams"...
Well Bosh wasnt really trying defensively, because he was avoiding fouls. He was the center piece of our offense, so it makes some sense too.

I've critisized Bosh for the reason above, but I never thought he was all about the stats.

People say he wasnt a clutch guy, but thats kinda BS. He didnt make many big shots, but how many PF's do? Dirk maybe, but he is so different. Instead Bosh made some nice defensive plays at decisive moments, which make me think even more that he wasnt really trying all game long in defensive end. And end game shots are also about the coach and the team. Bosh never had a good opportunity in that sense.

He was butterfingers. No denying that. And he wasnt really a good passer out of double teams. His strenght was the ability to go against anyone not named Garnett. He could drive and dunk and take a mid-range shot. He was good at those. Also his olympic appearance showed that he could be great defensively when playing with other good defensive guys and he could get rebounds (not like Reggie Evans, but one trick ponies are different).

I liked Bosh, and Im still not sure whether to root for him or boo for him in Heat. But for Raps I think it was good thing he left as we have a fresh start now.

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Does Bargs do ANY of these things on a consistent basis??? Why the hell do people continue to highlight all of Bosh's faults while refusing to hear ANY criticism at all about Andrea?

I'd really like to know.
One major thing is that no one expects Bargs to be as good as Bosh was. Atleast not during his first season as a go to guy. I like Bargs (then again I love Jose too, so maybe Im just rooting for underdogs on this board), but he is not consistent and he will never be a good rebounder. But I've gotten over the faults as they are so obvious. I can be happy with him grabbing 8 rebounds as thats good performance for him. I also realise that he is inconsistent because his game is based on him shooting well and every one has bad nights. AB isnt a top-20 player or anything so he has bad shooting nights more often than Kobe or Dirk.

And you cant seriously say people arent critisizing Bargs. When he has a bad game or two in the row he is called a bust and people want him traded. It just happens that all those people are quiet after he has a good game. And vise versa Bargs supporters dont post that much after he sucks two games in row.
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Bargnani gets ripped. No doubt about it. But he can simply be infuriating. It took me until that game in Atlanta where he was the absolute singular reason for a terrible loss last season. It was just inexcusable. From that point on I became much more aware of the same inexcusable stuff happening too frequently, and frankly Triano did as well. There should still be no reason to put Amir in for defensive reasons at the end of games. Once that isn't required at all, and he shows that he can be a team player here on out, then I would say ripping a guy for a bad game would be a little petty.
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Bargnani gets ripped. No doubt about it. But he can simply be infuriating. It took me until that game in Atlanta where he was the absolute singular reason for a terrible loss last season. It was just inexcusable. From that point on I became much more aware of the same inexcusable stuff happening too frequently, and frankly Triano did as well. There should still be no reason to put Amir in for defensive reasons at the end of games. Once that isn't required at all, and he shows that he can be a team player here on out, then I would say ripping a guy for a bad game would be a little petty.
I agree that Bargs can be pretty inconsistent. Some times he seems to lack any effort. And he should only be in the game defensively to play a big and slow center. In that area he beats anyone on our roster.

But then there is the point that Amir is just irritatingly stupid sometimes. He makes a lot of stupid mistakes and therefore I dont like him in any late game scenarios even though on average he would be better match up defensively.
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Bargnani gets ripped. No doubt about it. But he can simply be infuriating. It took me until that game in Atlanta where he was the absolute singular reason for a terrible loss last season. It was just inexcusable. From that point on I became much more aware of the same inexcusable stuff happening too frequently, and frankly Triano did as well. There should still be no reason to put Amir in for defensive reasons at the end of games. Once that isn't required at all, and he shows that he can be a team player here on out, then I would say ripping a guy for a bad game would be a little petty.
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I agree, didn't Triano pull Bargs out and put Amir in for some defensive sets the other night against the knicks?
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Bargnani gets ripped. No doubt about it. But he can simply be infuriating. It took me until that game in Atlanta where he was the absolute singular reason for a terrible loss last season. It was just inexcusable. From that point on I became much more aware of the same inexcusable stuff happening too frequently, and frankly Triano did as well. There should still be no reason to put Amir in for defensive reasons at the end of games. Once that isn't required at all, and he shows that he can be a team player here on out, then I would say ripping a guy for a bad game would be a little petty.
AB inconsistent... ok, I'll accept that. It's funny though how Amir doesn't get ripped for the same issue.

To say inexcusable... that's just unfair. There is very little that can occur in a single game that should be deemed so.

When has AB not shown himself to be a team player?
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Bargs sucks..but at 22 ppg he's the only legit starter on a good team we have, so why the blame only on him?
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AB inconsistent... ok, I'll accept that. It's funny though how Amir doesn't get ripped for the same issue. To say inexcusable... that's just unfair. There is very little that can occur in a single game that should be deemed so.

When has AB not shown himself to be a team player?
amir wasnt the # 1 pick in his draft...
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amir wasnt the # 1 pick in his draft...
So if a player is not #1 pick he can suck and nobody is allowed to point it?
( just for the record: this post is only made to reach 700 post..JeffB is a little far...)
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amir wasnt the # 1 pick in his draft...
This point is absolutely irrelevant.... the guy is being paid 8M this year.... the draft is far in the distant past.
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I cant believe people still use the reason that Bargs was #1 pick to justify unnecessary hate. Like Carp said, both Amir and AB have played long enough and have gotten to their second deals so if you want to rate them based on "value" it should be their current contract, not when they were picked.

With you logic there is no blaming guys like Jose for anything. After all he was not drafted at all, so you shouldnt expect anything from him.

Bargs makes a bit more than Amir, but he also produces a lot more. Both are inconsistent.
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AB inconsistent... ok, I'll accept that. It's funny though how Amir doesn't get ripped for the same issue.

To say inexcusable... that's just unfair. There is very little that can occur in a single game that should be deemed so.

When has AB not shown himself to be a team player?
I only wish I could pick a few games to watch with you possession by possession. There were far too many possessions where Andrea's lack of playing was just simply inexcusable. Go back and look at my blogs from last season and you'll see that even when critical, I always had faith in him coming around, and I got just as excited by his usual glimpses as anyone else. That game in Atlanta was not a final straw, it was a bale of hay. The dude had been so unresponsive for some time up to that point, and in that game he just laid down right off the bat.

When has he not been a team player? Most of the time, unfortunately, though not intentionally. He shoots, he scores or misses, and he otherwise watches. He spent five years of having guards practically needing bullhorns before he would recognize they needed him to set a screen. And this is precisely what is so infuriating - he sees no need to expand a role that goes beyond what he likes to do best - but that is not basketball. Amir is inconsistent, but he is out there trying to fill as big of a role as he can.
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And I do have to say that Amir played like shit last night. The way he failed to keep in front of Nene at all on some possessions was inexcusable.
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