Andrea Bargnani is the reason we're losing games
Old 11-28-2009, 01:58 AM   #1 (permalink)
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You want to know why so many teams abuse us in the paint? Why we suck on pick and roll? Why we can 'never protect our house'?

Is it Triano and his philosophy? Dont kid yourselves.

Its Andrea Bargnani.

Dont believe me? Rewatch the games from this year, or just focus in on Andrea come next game vs PHX.

An opposing guard is running a pick and roll, what does the guy do? He floats, he doesnt hedge nor trap nor stay back, he stays in no mans land where the opposing player can take a shot or dump it off to his teammate for an easy bucket.

We force an opposing player baseline or to his side expecting him to be there to zone off that side of the court, is he watching? Anywhere near the play? By the time he figures out theres an opposing player about to get an easy layup its too late and he often shows up o nthat side AFTER the basket has already been made.

Pick and roll where Bosh is the defender, and forces the opposing guard to give it up, does Andrea make the proper rotation to Boshs man? Does he meet the player at the rim? Or does he stay glued to his man not even recognize what the hell is going on out there?

I dont think its just defensive awareness either. A lot of the time an opposing player is coming at him he just sticks his hands up and lets them go right by.

Even when hes playing great on offence his defence is still lacking. Its his 4th year in the NBA, and he still doesnt have a clue nor care on defence. I said before the season that the key to us winning would be Boshs and Bargs defence. Bosh has been average overall, sometimes good sometimes bad, but this isnt about him.

Bargnanis defence has been so bad this year it makes Joses D last year look good. And the kid has 0 excuse, he doesnt have rocks for feet, he has above average quickness for a big which he displays a lot on offence.

So what else can you blame it on but effort and awareness?

Smitch may have sucked as a coach with the main things that win games especially come playoff time(rotations, timeouts, plays out of timeouts, playcalls in general, defensive schemes), but he got it right in benching Bargnani for Rasho and giving him all the tough love in the world.

If he keeps playing like this he needs to be shipped out or benched again for Rasho because this cant keep happening.

There cant be any trust when one of your bigs never helps out on defence. The perimeter play in the NBA is so good that there are going to be blow bys and zones needed to slow some guys down, and when theres no trust or help on Bargs side of the floor and with Bargs rotations, we're going to get slaughtered inside every game like we've seen.

Ive had enough with this pussy, but unfortunately our 'savior' BC decided to sign him for 5 more years. Hopefully some team desperate for an offensive big calls us up and makes an offer because Im tired of seeing his pathetic effort and lack of heart out of there every night.

SHIP HIS ASS OUT OF TOWN.
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Old 11-28-2009, 02:09 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I agree, today against celtics in the first quarter Andrea's help defence was awful. As much as I want Andrea gone as well, it won't happen.

Damn I just hate his stupid pumpfake and coming inside the three point line shots.
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Old 11-28-2009, 02:18 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Bargs will just have to learn we're stuck with him for another 5yrs so.....
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Old 11-28-2009, 02:22 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Sad, but very true. One on one, I think he's been fairly good. He's guarded Dwight well in certain instances, and in the Suns game, he did well keeping tabs on Nash when he had to in switch situations. But as you alluded to, his inability to guard the pick 'n roll is beyong flabbergasting. And his lack of recogniton in terms of when and where to help/rotate is dissapointing because he could be such a valuable resourse on both ends. But only if he chooses to be, and it just doesn't look like he really cares.
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Old 11-28-2009, 02:54 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Yeah get that weak garbage out of here

bargs for anthony randolph
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Old 11-28-2009, 03:03 AM   #6 (permalink)
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He needs to take his balls out of his purse and get his shit straight, once and for all.
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Old 11-28-2009, 03:45 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Seriously Reggie need to come out of his injuries ASAP so he can put some sense to his defense; if it still doesn't work out we all should spam BC email and clog his email until he ships out this mofo. I like Bargs back then with his shot and etc but now his shots not working either. I think the decision of making Bargs a starter is not a good one; maybe we can start Belli or even Antione for that matter ^_^; actually keep Antione 2nd unit and if somehow the Jose thing not working out either trade him to NJ and get Devin Harris.

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Old 11-28-2009, 04:24 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Sometimes I love you Thrills.... I really do.

The thing with Bargs is that you just KNOW that he's going to bounce back offensively sometime soon and drop 20-25 pts.... and then people will be all smiles about him again.

But you're absolutely right. This team only goes as far as Bargs takes us. Bosh can't do it by himself.
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Old 11-28-2009, 04:46 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Sorry to say that I agree. I've seen so much promise in Andrea that I have given him more slack than he deserves. When you see how deficient he is in everything except for jump shots, it is hard to justify his position on this team.
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Old 11-28-2009, 04:49 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I dont care if he scores 20-25 points again, thats not the point. Hes still going to play shit defence and make me cringe everytime hes on the court, and hold us back from being a better defensive team. Joses bad but at least the guy gives effort on D no matter how bad hes injured or playing. His effort may not create results but at least we KNOW hes not a good defensive player.

Im not convinced Bargs cant be a good defensive player, because he has the quickness and footspeed to be in Pau Gasols league on defence. If guys like Erick Dampier and Desagana Diop can be known for their defence and clogging up the middle I do not see any reason why Bargs cant at least get close to them. Hes got length, quicker feet, and hes strong now. Its all effort and wanting it. Those guys go out there and want to shut down the middle and do whats required to do so to get minutes. Bargs has gone through the being benched process, its time for him to man up and grow a pair and stop playing like he doesnt care.

If he has no drive to be one of the better players at his position and help his team win BC better damn well be shopping him hard.
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Old 11-28-2009, 05:26 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I agree and you can send Jose with him. 9 new players this year and hence it is the same team with the same problems as last year(and previous years). So what does this mean? What is the constant factor to create this? It means the core guys are rotten... specifically Bargs and Jose.

They need to go to change this team.
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Old 11-28-2009, 07:32 AM   #12 (permalink)
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ok Bargs did really play terrible D so far this season but you can`t tell me that Bosh wasn`t as bad as andrea was...
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Old 11-28-2009, 08:31 AM   #13 (permalink)
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this is why he didn't get time under Smitch
I watched a training camp thing on the 07 Raps and he always looks pissed at Bargs
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Old 11-28-2009, 09:31 AM   #14 (permalink)
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yes we should trade Bargs for a defensive center.
Trade Jose for a defensive point guard.
Trae Demar for a stud 2 guard.
Strenthen the bench by getting rid of some scrubs.

Then we will see how good this team is.

BC is an idiot if he does not see this already.
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yes we should trade Bargs for a defensive center.
Trade Jose for a defensive point guard.
Trae Demar for a stud 2 guard.
Strenthen the bench by getting rid of some scrubs.

Then we will see how good this team is.

BC is an idiot if he does not see this already.
or you could trade Jose for a D Center
Bargs for a stud SG
DeMar for a D PG

end result matters
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Old 11-28-2009, 09:45 AM   #16 (permalink)
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1. Bargnani 1st for Oden
2. Jose for Hinrich
3. 2 1sts, POB, Amir for Brooks Lopez

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Old 11-28-2009, 10:22 AM   #17 (permalink)
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There are times when he just goes in behind the screener, practically helping to set a better screen for the other team. I just don't get it. He played pretty good defense last season. Then again, I think Marion made life easier for him.

I wasn't ready to give up on him just yet, but if he has any value it might be good to get something in return. If he just sits on the bench he isn't going to bring anything back in return.

I would like to see Jose and Andrea in the second unit, and see Amir and Jack starting. Maybe Wright over Demar as well. It just seems like they need to work to overcome too much when those guys are starting together. Put them against non-starters, and put a guy like Reggie or Rasho in that mix and you might not have the same hill to climb just to stay even.
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Old 11-28-2009, 10:39 AM   #18 (permalink)
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reggie will drag Bargs into the defensive rotations cos if Bargs stands around like he is now reggie will break him.
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Old 11-28-2009, 10:49 AM   #19 (permalink)
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this is why he didn't get time under Smitch
I watched a training camp thing on the 07 Raps and he always looks pissed at Bargs

Funny! ... then Sad..... then true..
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Old 11-28-2009, 11:01 AM   #20 (permalink)
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fucking Bargnani ive made a thread like this before but people like snooch think he should be our franchise player...hell no he wont be if Bosh leaves and he wont be anytime. I admit he is good on offence but the reason why were actually loosing games is cause of him fucking period.
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