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TORaptor4Ever 11-22-2010 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ex2k (Post 464998)
Dude, put him on Dallas that year with how he's playing in his 5th year now and your telling me he cant put up those numbers and get to 60+ with THAT team?

You guys are making out Dirk to be a Kobe or Lebron!

He's 5 fucking years in guys playing on this rebuilding RAPTORS team...:facepalm:

Wow... lol.... you REALLY underestimate Dirk.

10 11-22-2010 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ex2k (Post 464998)
Dude, put him on Dallas that year with how he's playing in his 5th year now and your telling me he cant put up those numbers and get to 60+ with THAT team?

You guys are making out Dirk to be a Kobe or Lebron!

He's 5 fucking years in guys playing on this rebuilding RAPTORS team...:facepalm:

Were you watching basketball that season?

Do you know what Dirk was doing? Are you really just going to reference his stats and say there was nothing more to it?

C'mon man, get real with life.

Chiggmo 11-22-2010 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ex2k (Post 464997)
couple of years?


Do you realize we have him for another 4 years at 10 mill a season??????????

When his contract is done he'll be in the NBA for 9 years!

Putting up the same stats as Dirk NOW

Lol your strictly looking at stats, therefor you lose.... I think Gizz said it all very nicely. Refer to that.

jeffb 11-22-2010 10:47 PM

Well, once Bargnani becomes an NBA MVP, 9 Time All-star (soon to be 10+), 4x All NBA 1st team, 4x ALL NBA 2nd team, lead a team to the NBA Finals then maybe we can start comparing until then this is rediculous. Oh, and if he can become a consistent 8-9 rpg player as well on top of whats been mentioned.

Dirk's career playoff numbers- 25.6ppg/10.9rpg/2.6apg

There' some stats for ya.

10 11-22-2010 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 465027)
Well, once Bargnani becomes an NBA MVP, 9 Time All-star (soon to be 10+), 4x All NBA 1st team, 4x ALL NBA 2nd team, lead a team to the NBA Finals then maybe we can start comparing until then this is rediculous. Oh, and if he can become a consistent 8-9 rpg player as well on top of whats been mentioned.

Dirk's career playoff numbers- 25.6ppg/10.9rpg/2.6apg

There' some stats for ya.

Minus the big 'ship, Dirk has put together a spectacular career.

Still going strong too.

When he calls it quits, he will end up being a top 3-5 PF in history.

Luckily, he's still got some years left.

jeffb 11-22-2010 11:12 PM

Dirk's 3rd, 4th, 5th season stats:

Year3- 21.8ppg/9.2rpg
Year4- 23.4ppg/9.9rpg
Year5- 25.1ppg/9.9rpg

This guy has been a stud since year 3, hell even in his second year he was a 17ppg/6.5rpg player.

TORaptor4Ever 11-22-2010 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 10gizzle (Post 465032)
Minus the big 'ship, Dirk has put together a spectacular career.

Still going strong too.

When he calls it quits, he will end up being a top 3-5 PF in history.

Luckily, he's still got some years left.

I'm thinking that Dirk's best shot may come if DAL bites the bullet and takes a risk with Arenas.

Dirk/Gil/Kidd could be a potent combo and it'd help to keep Dirk's window open a bit longer.

thought 11-22-2010 11:45 PM

seven foot european that can shoot the three.

comparison ends there.

jonathan bender would be a more apt comparison.

bluejazzy 11-22-2010 11:46 PM

if what your asking is....

yes i would rather have andrea and 9million

10 11-23-2010 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever (Post 465049)
I'm thinking that Dirk's best shot may come if DAL bites the bullet and takes a risk with Arenas.

Dirk/Gil/Kidd could be a potent combo and it'd help to keep Dirk's window open a bit longer.

Maybe they can recreate Nick the quick and Nash with Kidd and Arenas? :reporter:

eazy187 11-23-2010 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ha123 (Post 464949)
Andrea will never be an MVP.
He will never lead a team to a 60+ win season.
He will never take his team to the finals.
Bargs will probably never be an all star either.

I don't get some ppl here, they thought bosh's stats were inflated and now that bargs is getting 20ppg on a shit team, they think he is the next dirk. :facepalm:

And numbers don't mean anything, would u take monta ellis over kobe cuz he is averaging better stats than him this season?

Dirk is a future hall of famer, lets not disrespect him by comparing him to a bust.

Dirk will never lead a team to a NBA Championship


...wow this is fun. lol

Don Vito 01-30-2011 12:18 AM

This is laughable.

Kirby 01-30-2011 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 501854)
This is laughable.

This.

Chiggmo 01-30-2011 12:25 AM

Somebody close this, its just outright stupid :dead:

LX 01-30-2011 12:31 AM


m5racer 01-30-2011 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Shifty.py (Post 464638)
3 rebounds, 3 points and 3 double teams
and that little thing

Where they failed 10 times, while he was cracking under the pressure

HugoBoss 01-30-2011 01:04 AM

you're comparing Bargs to...the "best foreign player other than hakeen"...

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Nowitzki: I can't decide if he's moving into the Barkley/Malone discussion (for best modern power forward not named Tim Duncan or Larry Bird) or the Larry Bird/Rick Barry discussion (for best offensive forward ever), but there's definitely been some moving. It's a junior version of the Kobe/Michael thing: Nowitzki's peak can't come close to matching Bird's peak, but his freaky consistency and legendary summer work ethic makes a Bird/Nowitzki career comparison closer than you'd think.

For 11 straight seasons, he's been the best player on a contender. Grab any Dirk season from 2001 to 2011 and it will look something close to his career numbers (22.6 PPG, 8.3 RPG, 48 percent FG, 38 percent 3FG, 88 percent FT, 23.8 PER, 0.213 WS/48, 27.0 usage rate, 58.1 true shooting). And he hasn't slipped even a little. I asked ESPN's Marc Stein, the Gayle to Dirk's Oprah, whether 2011 Dirk looks any different than 2001 Dirk or 2007 Dirk. His response: "He's a little creakier, but it's not like his first step was ever the key to his game. He's shooting the ball as well as he ever has. He's like a surgeon now, he just carves up anything you throw at him. [Erik] Spoelstra told me that, too -- he said the stuff [Miami] did in 2006 just doesn't work anymore."

Quick tangent: For whatever reason, basketball fans don't care about career NBA numbers like baseball fans care about baseball numbers. I see four reasons for this: (1) baseball has been around almost twice as long as basketball; (2) baseball's signature threshold numbers are famously identifiable (500, 3,000 and 300), as are the players who broke its major records, whereas your average sports fan would struggle to answer questions like "Who leads the NBA in career scoring?"; (3) statistics matter more in baseball because it's an individual sport; and (4) we need to throw ourselves into baseball statistics because the sport itself is so f------ boring. If we were eating lunch and I told you, "Johnny Damon has 2,571 hits right now," that would mean something to you. If you're a true baseball fan, you would process that information in 0.008 seconds and think, "He needs 429 for 3,000, that's doable!" But if I told you "Dirk Nowitzki has 21,925 points right now," you wouldn't think anything other than, "That's a lot."

Well, only 19 players have ever topped 25,000 points. Only 10 players (I'm including Kobe, who will get it next week) have topped 27,000. Only five players have topped 30,000. Only two (Kareem and Mailman) have topped 32,500. And then there's Dirk, who should be close to 23,000 by the end of this season and grinding out 1,700-1,900 points for at least three after that ... and we haven't even covered the final phase of his career, his late 30s, when he hangs on for an extra four years as the greatest version of Sam Perkins ever. Barring injury, we'll have our first foreign-born player in the 30,000 Point Club. Throw in longevity, durability and eye-popping shooting percentages (for his career, he's a 48-38-88 guy right now) and suddenly we're talking about one of the best 15-18 players ever and the best foreign-born player other than Hakeem. Pretty high stakes. Twenty years ago? He'd already be in the Fat Sam Perkins stage. With equally horrible hair.

Last footnote on Dirk: With advanced metrics slowly taking over basketball for better and worse, Dirk should be one of the big retroactive winners historically, a little like how the sneaky-great Tim Raines dropped the "sneaky" about two years and 550 homicidally impassioned pro-Raines sabermetric essays ago. I was there for Dirk, and I was there for Bird. It's no contest. (These three YouTube clips explain everything: "Why You Don't Mess With Larry Bird," "Larry Bird 47 Points vs. Portland (the Left-handed Game)" and "Larry Bird Greatest Passer of All-Time.") But Nowitzki's PER, win shares and true shooting percentages are better, and as long as you throw out MVPs, titles and overall impact, and you skew longevity, you can make a great case that Dirk Nowitzki was better than Larry Bird. I will now light my game-worn Bird jersey on fire with me in it.
Kobe Bryant, Dirk Nowitzki, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Steve Nash: Defying the longevity odds - ESPN

fresh n' spicy 01-30-2011 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kirby (Post 501855)
This.

That.

DDaring 01-30-2011 10:11 PM

There are two big differences:

1. rebounding
2. scoring efficiency. Andrea is shooting just 52.8% TS this season. That is pretty terrible, especially for a "big man".


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