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Old 03-08-2013, 09:13 AM   #1 (permalink)
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In terms of a value find, Anderson has no equal on the Raptors. Only Quincy Acy, presently in the D-League, makes less than the $885,120 Anderson made this season.

He came out the development league at (comparatively) next to no cost to the Raptors.

There is no draft pick that should have been taken instead of him because Anderson was not drafted by the Raptors.

He is found money and he has been paying dividends since he arrived.

He even arrived NBA ready. Having played most of five years in Europe following a short stint in the NBA and with a nice collegiate career at Michigan State behind him, Anderson had already grown into his body when he arrived in Toronto. There is no waiting for him to bulk up.

But more importantly, Anderson arrived knowing how to play the NBA game. As basic as that sounds, compare him to any rookie who quite properly needs time to adjust to the speed of the NBA game and the strength of the NBA game and the rigours of an NBA schedule, and the comparison isn’t even a fair one.

At the age of 29 (when he arrived), Anderson didn’t need to adjust to any of that.
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Sure he has his faults — there are nights when the ball is not falling for him and Anderson stubbornly launches three-point after three-point attempt regardless — but for every night like that there are nights where those three’s are falling and combined with his willingness to attack the basket provides scoring the team might not otherwise have.

Even that is only part or what Anderson brings. He is no one-trick pony.

His toughness as a defender, his refusal to back down to any opponent — recall Dwight Howard walking off the court with this second technical after tangling with Anderson in early January — and his veteran savvy when it comes to positioning are the kind of talents that don’t show up on a stat sheet.

But even the fanbase seems to have turned the page on Anderson seeing him more as an obstruction standing in the way of Terrence Ross’ development or Landry Fields’ minutes.

But Anderson does have one man in his corner who has taken some shots across his bow by going with Anderson over others.

Head coach Dwane Casey rarely singles out a player for criticism in his talks with the media but he does not shy away from heaping praise on those he feels deserve it.

And for large chunks of this year, Anderson was that guy on the receiving end of such praise.

Casey knows a team needs more than just scorers to compete. Even if no one else sees the value of a guy willing to mix it up and stand his ground in a league full of fake tough guys, Casey sees it.

In Casey’s own words, Anderson is a pro’s pro. A guy who just goes about the game the right way. A guy who does what it takes to help his team win.

And if you value the good teammate notion, you’re not going to find a better one. Anderson puts as much into cheering on his teammates as he does into his own game. He’s supportive, he’s encouraging, he’s loud and he keeps a team loose.

The problem is in a numbers game where the Raptors have room for six or seven wing players next season, Anderson seems to fall somewhere in line behind Gay, DeRozan, Ross and Fields.

As a restricted free agent coming off a year in which he has averaged 11.2 points a game in just over 24 minutes a night while giving his team better than average defence at the opposite end, someone is going to offer Anderson a job.

At which point the Raptors will have to decide whether to match or let him go.

If it does come down to having to let him go, the Raptors will be a lesser team because of it.
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Old 03-08-2013, 09:28 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I have not issue is we keep Anderson on the cheap ... Casey needs to let our young guys get some of his minutes though ..
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Old 03-08-2013, 09:28 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Just terrible analysis all-around. Chuckers like Anderson are a dime a dozen and belong out of the league or at the end of the bench, just ask Sonny Weems. The problem with Anderson is that Casey treats him like a 6th man. He doesn't come somewhere behind DD, Gay, Fields and Ross. He comes ahead of Fields and Ross nearly every game.

It's crazy to look at his salary and stats and make a judgement based on those two things.
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Old 03-08-2013, 10:07 AM   #4 (permalink)
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if our 6-7-8 depth is improved and he's pushed back a little, getting less minutes then i have no problem with keeping him.

as our 10th man playing 10-12mpg he's fine. if it's not him we could expect some rasual butler type so wtf i guess.
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Old 03-08-2013, 10:31 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I think he is. He has a good off court relationship with the key players and he's a solid vet off the bench. I believe if he has a more financially secured contract situation moving forward,we'll see far less of the desperate play at times,that we've witnessed.
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Old 03-08-2013, 10:36 AM   #6 (permalink)
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as our 10th man playing 10-12mpg he's fine. if it's not him we could expect some rasual butler type so wtf i guess.
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I believe if he has a more financially secured contract situation moving forward,we'll see far less of the desperate play at times,that we've witnessed.
Let's hope these 2 points merge together in the offseason, if not, there are others that can fill his roll.
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Old 03-08-2013, 11:49 AM   #7 (permalink)
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nothing wrong with Anderson at all, guy plays hard, he's tough, and he's a man. WTF do people want?
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Old 03-08-2013, 11:55 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Don't know why you keep the guy to be honest. Rudy and DD already play 30-36 mpg. You have LF and TR to cover the other minutes. However, I'd say keep AA if 1-3 of those wings were dealt.
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Old 03-08-2013, 12:13 PM   #9 (permalink)
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nothing wrong with Anderson at all, guy plays hard, he's tough, and he's a man. WTF do people want?
Exactly. People like to bitch about the most stupid stuff and to hate players just because they are no longer the flavour of the month.
AA is tough on D and can score too. He guards some tough and big bodies and he never backs down. He is a volume shooter at time, and I said it before, and will say it again, if he chucks them in bunches and he is still on the floor, this is what the coach asked him to do.
He doesn't take playing time from Ross, who at this point is a pure SG. If anything, he takes playing time from Fields. Ross cannot guard PF, and close down the C like AA does, he is not big enough.
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Old 03-08-2013, 12:35 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I don't mind Anderson and all, but i would much rather bring in a vet shooter off the bench, someone more consistent. And if we did that and we still have Ross/Fields why keep AA?


Our current wings:

Starters- Gay (37mpg), Derozan (35mpg)

Bench- Ross, AA, Fields, Pietrus, Kleiza

Now assuming Kleiza is amnestied and Pietrus isn't back that leaves Ross, Fields and AA who is a UFA. None of those 3 bench players can shoot consistently.

One of Fields or AA has to go and we need to bring in a shooter off the bench. Fields imo fits here because he plays D and doesn't force his shot and i like the way he moves without the ball. He's also harder to move because of his contract. Therefore imo AA is not going to be re-signed unless the bench wings aren't improved upon which would be a large disapointment.
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Old 03-08-2013, 12:40 PM   #11 (permalink)
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It's crazy to look at his salary and stats and make a judgement based on those two things.
There is a salary cap in the NBA like every other league. Why don't you tell that to Billy Beane, Sandy Alderson, and every GM in Baseball that hired an economist after. Or Hollinger and the Grizzlies. I'm sure there far more examples.

Anderson is an awesome player for $800,000. He may be much less aweomse depending on his salry demands next year. I give him 4.5 over 2 years (total).

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There is a salary cap in the NBA like every other league. Why don't you tell that to Billy Beane, Sandy Alderson, and every GM in Baseball that hired an economist after. Or Hollinger and the Grizzlies. I'm sure there far more examples.

Anderson is an awesome player for $800,000. He may be much less aweomse depending on his salry demands next year. I give him 4.5 over 2 years (total).
The problem with that reasoning, is that the distribution of money on a team is less important than the overall talent level. Anderson, no matter what he is paid, is not a difference maker. It is far better to overpay and have decent talent than have mediocre players on good value deals.

Having a star player and overpaying for him is of much more value to a team than having a 10th man and having him on a minimum salary contract. The reality is that Anderson is very replaceable. The value of the deals your replacement level players are on is of almost no consequence.

A team's success is driven almost entirely by what your best two or three players are doing. The value of the contracts of your bench players (especially your depth bench players) barely matters at all.

If Anderson was good enough to be a consistent starting wing, then the value of his contract would be something to discuss. As it is, it is meaningless, outside of the fact that he is not on a deal that handcuffs the franchise (unlike several other players on this team).
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Old 03-08-2013, 01:11 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Hahaha, hes nothing special.
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Hahaha, hes nothing special.
Nope but teams can't afford 12 special guys.
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The problem with that reasoning, is that the distribution of money on a team is less important than the overall talent level. Anderson, no matter what he is paid, is not a difference maker. It is far better to overpay and have decent talent than have mediocre players on good value deals.

Having a star player and overpaying for him is of much more value to a team than having a 10th man and having him on a minimum salary contract. The reality is that Anderson is very replaceable. The value of the deals your replacement level players are on is of almost no consequence.

A team's success is driven almost entirely by what your best two or three players are doing. The value of the contracts of your bench players (especially your depth bench players) barely matters at all.

If Anderson was good enough to be a consistent starting wing, then the value of his contract would be something to discuss. As it is, it is meaningless, outside of the fact that he is not on a deal that handcuffs the franchise (unlike several other players on this team).
When you're talking about success in this post, are yout alking about success on the court, or success on the financial statements?
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When you're talking about success in this post, are yout alking about success on the court, or success on the financial statements?
Both.
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Old 03-08-2013, 03:01 PM   #17 (permalink)
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It is possible that AA has had something to do with DeMar's improvement the last couple of seasons. Who did Demar go up against in practices before that? There wasn't anyone that was going to challenge him much defensively that I can remember, and he always seemed shell-shocked when he faced stiff defense in games. That has changed.

On a team that still needs to cement a defensive culture, he is pretty important. That is an indictment of Colangelo as much as anything else, but there it is. It will not be great to see a whole collection of guys that do not bring much of anything to the team stick around while he goes. I only wish that Bryan had collected more guys like Anderson in the form of second rounders, or even the late first rounder he gave up to get Johnson. The cheap guys that can contribute as two-way players because they have played 4 years in college look much better to me now and in the future, then guys given a raise and promises of a chance at filling a bigger offensive role like Kleiza, Fields, Kapono, Hedo and so on.
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Old 03-08-2013, 03:27 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Only in Raptorland is a guy shooting 38% on 10+ attempts per game a keeper. BCs logic at its finest. I expect BC to keep him for 3 years, 18 million if he somehow survives.
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Old 03-08-2013, 04:30 PM   #19 (permalink)
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This team would be much worse without Anderson. He brings intangibles aplenty. He's the only player I see really support Bargnani. I've said before that the biggest thing he brings to the table is communication. He communicates positive reinforcement regularly which is crucial. It's one of the reasons why Steve Nash is a great player.

The problem with Anderson is that he is somewhat limited in the talent department playing on a bench squad that looks to him to score (as much as fans might wish that they didn't) and he has nobody communicating back to him. Demar is really gaining confidence and I would like to see him talk more. JLIII is getting ball-pressured like crazy.

I think he needs a bit of co-leadership from the point position and JLIII isn't really that guy.
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I expect BC to keep him for 3 years, 18 million per year if he somehow survives.
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