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Old 10-28-2011, 01:02 PM   #1 (permalink)
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do we use it on Bargnani if the clause is not transferable to the next season? Bargnani is already slightly overpriced, and his value could plummet if he follows with another disappointing season, while his salary is going to keep increase every year by another million, making him harder and harder to trade.

obviously, there's the big risk that we waive him and he starts playing better, which would be pretty devastating, but let's face it, the risk of his value falling is a lot higher.
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Old 10-28-2011, 01:06 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Bargnani- No, imo he can be traded for something of value

Calderon- owed 19Mil over the next two seasons, harder to trade

Kleiza- his contract declines every year and if healthy I think he's an asset


Those are the 3 candidates as far as I can tell. For me it would be Jose, because he'd be the hardest to deal.
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Old 10-28-2011, 01:17 PM   #3 (permalink)
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It sucks for you.
I don't really see much sense in cutting either Calderon or Bargs. Kleiza at 4.5 mil isn't worth the amnesty, and he's probably worth the money anyway.

It's a little better if you can save it for 2 years, and it seems you can.

But for it to be really great -- make it so you can trade for a player and amnesty him.
I assume they'll prevent that -- or maybe not.
Imagine what Orlando would give for you to take Turkoglu and amnesty?
Picks, Redick, pretty much anything that's not Dwight Howard or Jameer Nelson I guess.
That would be awesome.
They clearly need to lose both Arenas and Turk, and 1 amnesty doesn't cut it.
You need assets.

Although maybe your owners wouldn't want to spend money like that.
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It sucks for you.
I don't really see much sense in cutting either Calderon or Bargs. Kleiza at 4.5 mil isn't worth the amnesty, and he's probably worth the money anyway.

It's a little better if you can save it for 2 years, and it seems you can.

But for it to be really great -- make it so you can trade for a player and amnesty him.
I assume they'll prevent that -- or maybe not.
Imagine what Orlando would give for you to take Turkoglu and amnesty?
Picks, Redick, pretty much anything that's not Dwight Howard or Jameer Nelson I guess.
That would be awesome.
They clearly need to lose both Arenas and Turk, and 1 amnesty doesn't cut it.
You need assets.

Although maybe your owners wouldn't want to spend money like that.
I don't see being able to trade amnesty exceptions so to speak. But I do wonder if you can save your amnesty, and then if you make a trade that includes taking a bad contract in return (say you're getting two players) that you can amnesty the bad contract and keep the other player which was the reason for the deal.

Example: Say the Caldeon deal went down for Chandler & Diaw, you'd be allowed to keep Chandler and amnesty Diaw.
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It makes no sense to use it on bargs, we coul easily get something decent form him through trade, why would we get rid of him for nothing, every critizes his defense, but fail to recognize he is still a solid weapon to have offensively, and would get picked up really quick
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Old 10-28-2011, 01:40 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I don't see being able to trade amnesty exceptions so to speak. But I do wonder if you can save your amnesty, and then if you make a trade that includes taking a bad contract in return (say you're getting two players) that you can amnesty the bad contract and keep the other player which was the reason for the deal.

Example: Say the Caldeon deal went down for Chandler & Diaw, you'd be allowed to keep Chandler and amnesty Diaw.
yes, that's what i meant.
You do a normal deal. Then amnesty the guy (or 1 of several guys, or whatever).
Like in Turk's case, Turkoglu + Redick + pick + 3 mil cash for Barbosa.
Or even for nothing (you still have a ton of cap space with a 50-50 BRI split).
Then you amnesty Turk.

You generally can't trade any exceptions in the NBA. But use them on a traded player?

It would be a nice option to have. A way for Raptors to get an asset. Instead of just wasting the amnesty when you don't really need it.
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Old 10-28-2011, 04:18 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Old 10-28-2011, 04:28 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Ok... that sucks for teams with good cap situation.
well, maybe at least you could use it on a failed free agent?
Like, maybe you could take a risk on Greg Oden, and if it fails, amnesty him, if it doesn't, keep him or trade him.
Otherwise it's a wasted amnesty exeption.
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jose or kleiza
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Old 10-28-2011, 04:51 PM   #10 (permalink)
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jose or kleiza

Kleiza would be a waste of amnesty. He makes peanuts, and if he comes back healthy he can contribute. Hell his annual salary only goes down from here.
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long term, useless and not peanuts. he's a classic example of a mid-range guy making too much for what he can deliver and not really having a useful role on the team. if a decision was made that jose's contract is short enough (at only 2 years) to keep, there's no one else that really needs to go. might as well use it on a guy like kleiza who isn't going to be much of an asset and who's salary could be better allocated. he is slow and has injury issues, and who knows what kind of form he can come back to. waste of cap space.
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Old 10-28-2011, 05:23 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Jose... Cuz he doesn't even deserve to be on the floor... lol
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Old 10-31-2011, 06:20 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Most likely amnesty cut: None

How likely to use amnesty this season? Jump ball

Other amnesty candidates: Jose Calderon and Linas Kleiza

Analysis: Sources with knowledge of Toronto's thinking say that the Raptors' up-to-the-minute plans call for hanging onto their amnesty clause for down-the-road usage. Calderon might have more than $20 million left on his deal through 2012-13, but he'd most likely be the Raptors' starting point guard if the season started tomorrow. So Toronto's not giving him away.

As for Kleiza and his three remaining seasons with the Raps at $4.6 million annually, Toronto will undoubtedly wait to see what sort of cap breaks teams get with injured players in the next labor deal before eating that contract. The Raps could well save a similar amount of money on Kleiza, who had knee surgery in February, through insurance mechanisms compared to the amnesty provision. Which means there's no obvious Raptor to be asked to head for the border.

NBA -- Most likely amnesty candidates - ESPN
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Old 10-31-2011, 06:27 PM   #14 (permalink)
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That's a good point in that piece.
It makes little sense to amnesty even an unhealthy Kleiza if you are a rebuilding or a profit-oriented team. Raptors are both right now.
And if he's healthy, it makes even less sense because he's pretty good value for his salary.
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Old 10-31-2011, 06:53 PM   #15 (permalink)
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amnesty clause? That'll be half the Blazers before too long
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If Cleveland uses it's amnesty on Baron Davis he'll be a Miami Heat within a week.
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If Cleveland uses it's amnesty on Baron Davis he'll be a Miami Heat within a week.
They cant, if it can only be used on players which are not acquired by trade
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They cant, if it can only be used on players which are not acquired by trade
Yeah, they can.

It can't be used on future trades.
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If you are interested in the Raptors being sucessful the Amnesty Clause sucks. It will benefit the Knicks/Celtics/Lakers etc. and leave well managed teams with a bigger hole to fill
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Yeah, they can.

It can't be used on future trades.
oh alright, thanks for making that clear
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