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Old 10-26-2013, 11:00 AM   #101 (permalink)
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It may have been a bit harsh and I might be "rubbing it in a little", but there is nothing logical about bringing up Demar Derozan or Chris Bosh every time somebody notices that Andrea Bargnani was fucking the dog on defense one night. Three years of that was a little tiring and didn't make for great discussion. And yet it continues on...


It's always been personal for Carp, never logical, and I get it, he was a true Andrea fan and it was hard for him to read the constant criticism. It's time to move on and enjoy good basketball.
It's more personal for you than I. You don't need to police my posts but you love to. I haven't mentioned Bosh in years, but I don't see you on torap or others about those comments years ago. It's attempted bullying, it's rather lame.

I've not posted as much recently, get over me already. It's not like I dumped you.
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Old 10-26-2013, 09:07 PM   #102 (permalink)
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I've not posted as much recently, get over me already. It's not like I dumped you.
Not much to talk about when Demar is playing good basketball.
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Old 10-27-2013, 03:38 AM   #103 (permalink)
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I agree, I defended bargs, but often because the hate was so irrational. Bargs isn't a star, but guess what, neither is DD. Neither are worth their contracts. Who cares though.

Bullying isn't okay. Insult me all you want, doesn't make you right.

Lkeet, I appreciate that response. Your logic is respected.
You have the right to defend the indefensible, like an champion of the underdog.
You like to play devils advocate and calmly stir the pot ... sometimes well played, but most times an exercise in annoyance, leading others down an illogical thought pathway based on their suspension of intelligence and ignorance of factual evidence.
Great practice in a debating society, but still bullshit.

Barney love cost us Bosh ... what say you to that fact!
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You have the right to defend the indefensible, like an champion of the underdog.
You like to play devils advocate and calmly stir the pot ... sometimes well played, but most times an exercise in annoyance, leading others down an illogical thought pathway based on their suspension of intelligence and ignorance of factual evidence.
Great practice in a debating society, but still bullshit.

Barney love cost us Bosh ... what say you to that fact!
A lot of words, nothing worth reading.

As for the last claim, it's just not true.
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Old 10-27-2013, 09:32 AM   #105 (permalink)
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imo DD is playing close to top 5 SG level now. Question is can he keep it up
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Old 10-27-2013, 09:52 AM   #106 (permalink)
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imo DD is playing close to top 5 SG level now. Question is can he keep it up
Top 5 SG can usually hit 3's.
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Old 10-27-2013, 10:26 AM   #107 (permalink)
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Top 5 SG can usually hit 3's.
Tell that to wade.
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Old 10-27-2013, 10:31 AM   #108 (permalink)
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Tell that to wade.
Usually.....

And DD is nowhere near Wade, even now. Maybe when he starts shooting 50FG% and averaging 25+ppg.

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Old 10-27-2013, 01:10 PM   #109 (permalink)
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Think It's early to assume he's near top 5. But watching him play so far makes it seem he can get 20+ points anytime he wants.
He'd have to prove it this season tho, he'd have to be better then Mayo, Tyreke, Monta Ellis, Eric Gordon, Manu, Kevin Martin?, Iggy, to be in top 5. It's not impossible since everyone listed isn't THAT much better then DD from last year. I think he'll be top 10 atleast this season.
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Old 10-27-2013, 01:20 PM   #110 (permalink)
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what the heck did demar do last season to justify a top 5 rating? Even in a time without a lot of quality SGs, he wasn't all that great at anything. The thing about him though is that he really is a hard worker and improves a little every year and is still young. This pre-season he looked really, really good on offense - if that translates, he may be a top 5 in offense among SGs next season.
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Think It's early to assume he's near top 5. But watching him play so far makes it seem he can get 20+ points anytime he wants.
He'd have to prove it this season tho, he'd have to be better then Mayo, Tyreke, Monta Ellis, Eric Gordon, Manu, Kevin Martin?, Iggy, to be in top 5. It's not impossible since everyone listed isn't THAT much better then DD from last year. I think he'll be top 10 atleast this season.

SG's i'd take ahead of him
Wade
Harden
Ellis
Iggy
Kobe
K. Thompson

SG's that are arguably in his tier
Martin
T. Evans
E. Gordon (too injured all the time)
Mayo
J. Johnson (salary aside)
Manu (unless he bounces back he's nearly done imo)


IMO if he has a solid season and plays like he's showing in pre-season he's a top 8-10 SG. But that remains to be seen.
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Old 10-27-2013, 02:18 PM   #112 (permalink)
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Question always for me - Will DeMar play well when it counts the most? He always tends to play well and surprise when it's preseason or during the end of the season when games mean nothing(already eliminated). I want to see him play well when we're in meaningful stretches, like when the season has just started and we can make a point or when we're battling for the playoffs. Atleast during that 4-19 stretch, he was one of the few bright spots, but when we needed him while we were fighting with teams like Milwaukee nearing elimination, I don't remember him taking over.

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Old 10-27-2013, 03:36 PM   #113 (permalink)
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what the heck did demar do last season to justify a top 5 rating? Even in a time without a lot of quality SGs, he wasn't all that great at anything. The thing about him though is that he really is a hard worker and improves a little every year and is still young. This pre-season he looked really, really good on offense - if that translates, he may be a top 5 in offense among SGs next season.
Where did I say that?
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imo DD is playing close to top 5 SG level now. Question is can he keep it up
I am saying that he is playing close to top 5. That is different than top 5, if you would actually take your time to read posts before dismissing them, maybe it would make more seance?
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Old 10-27-2013, 03:58 PM   #114 (permalink)
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DD was playing very well in the preseason, that's why I think he was close to top5. His FG% was great and he was scoring at will. He averaged around (guess)20points per game in limited minutes, if he could keep it up he would be 23-25pt per game around 50% FG scorer. His defense also looks improved
assuming he can keep it up I would say it's:

1. Harden
2. Wade
3. Kobe
4. Iggy
5. Ellis
6. Thompson
7. Derozan
8. Gordon
9. Martin
10. Evans

Just for the record I see Paul George as a SF.

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Old 10-27-2013, 05:13 PM   #115 (permalink)
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imo DD is playing close to top 5 SG level now. Question is can he keep it up
This is probabaly the best example of what makes people argue about DD on this forum. Preseason counts for jack. Now he's a top five SG? He's an allstar already basically? Wade, Kobe, Harden, George then DD? He's not even top 5 offensively until he can shoot 3s, be a defensive star or be insanely efficient on top of what he already is. Arguably you could add 5 more but I see no point in doing that here and creating an endless argument.

Nothing saying he can't be top 5 one day if he plays defense at all, but the band wagon is a little top heavy at the moment. DD played like an average shooting guard on an average team with an slightly above average contract. Anything else is a bit over the top.

And I wouldn't be against trading him as long as it was for his production with some small compensation for his potential, the problem is nobody desperately needs him enough right now to overpay since BC does not have a GM job and we already fleeced NY.

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Old 10-27-2013, 05:18 PM   #116 (permalink)
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Where did I say that?


I am saying that he is playing close to top 5. That is different than top 5, if you would actually take your time to read posts before dismissing them, maybe it would make more seance?
Why would taking time to read your posts increase the rate one communcates with dead people?
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Old 10-27-2013, 06:53 PM   #117 (permalink)
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This is probabaly the best example of what makes people argue about DD on this forum. Preseason counts for jack. Now he's a top five SG? He's an allstar already basically? Wade, Kobe, Harden, George then DD? He's not even top 5 offensively until he can shoot 3s, be a defensive star or be insanely efficient on top of what he already is. Arguably you could add 5 more but I see no point in doing that here and creating an endless argument.

Nothing saying he can't be top 5 one day if he plays defense at all, but the band wagon is a little top heavy at the moment. DD played like an average shooting guard on an average team with an slightly above average contract. Anything else is a bit over the top.

And I wouldn't be against trading him as long as it was for his production with some small compensation for his potential, the problem is nobody desperately needs him enough right now to overpay since BC does not have a GM job and we already fleeced NY.
..... This is probably the best example of how important reading skills are. Once again I am not saying that he is top 5 SG! Top 10 maybe, What I said was that he was playing close to the level of top 5 in preseason. I even made a little list for people like you, but i guess you missed that too. I do realize that it's preseason and we shouldn't jump the gun, that's why I said if he can keep it up .. As for Bandwagon I'm really not fan of Derozan and I wouldn't mind one bit if we would trade him.

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..... This is probably the best example of how important reading skills are. Once again I am not saying that he is top 5 SG! Top 10 maybe, What I said was that he was playing close to the level of top 5 in preseason. I even made a little list for people like you, but i guess you missed that too. I do realize that it's preseason and we shouldn't jump the gun, that's why I said if he can keep it up .. As for Bandwagon I'm really not fan of Derozan and I wouldn't mind one bit if we would trade him.
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Arguably you could add 5 more ....
I said he's not top 5 or 10. Which is addresses exactly CLOSE TO TOP 5. No... I didn't miss it but you did.

As for your list I would say you're not really objective.
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Tell that to wade.
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I said he's not top 5 or 10.
First thing is that you can say whatever you want and that's just an opinion. Trying to back up your post with your own opinion is useless if you don't present any facts.

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Which is addresses exactly CLOSE TO TOP 5.
There was a mistake in my post i missed ''not''. ''he is not top 5 SG! Top 10 maybe.'' My bad.

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No... I didn't miss it but you did.
Not sure how that even makes sense, but you seem to miss the part that I don't think he is top 5 SG. I do think he is in the top 8-12range, and that his preseason numbers brings him closer to top 5 (he is 7th in my chart) that is only preseason rating! And it's all debatable

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imo DD is playing close to top 5 SG level now
Not claiming that he is top 15,10,7, 5 or whatever. I stated opinion based on his performance as of late, don't agree with it, that's fine.


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As for your list I would say you're not really objective.
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