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Old 10-24-2013, 06:27 PM   #61 (permalink)
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I've been a critic of Demar recently but I've been impressed so far. Looks like he's now committed to attacking off curls, instead of retreating and hoisting long twos like we've seen in the past so often. Seems like the majority of his FG attempts are from in or around the paint, exercising a more mature post game bolstered by great footwork and mature patience, or outside the arc (where he looks improved as well) which is very encouraging. In addition, on the other end, he's keeping his man in front of him. Looking forward to seeing how it translates to the regular season.
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Old 10-24-2013, 06:28 PM   #62 (permalink)
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"strong interest" but "nothing that would entice."

It sounds like some teams are fishing and checking if Ujiri isn't in a "dump players for free" mode yet. Same as with Detroit's expirings for Gay offer.
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I think MU will look for the best possible deal(s) and not settle.
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Let's wait and see how things go during the actual season.
Or, as finstock clearly said, and not for the purposes of stealth - let's look forward to how it translates.
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I think MU will look for the best possible deal(s) and not settle.
Or make what could be the best possible deal, which could very well be making no deal.
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Or, as finstock clearly said, and not for the purposes of stealth - let's look forward to how it translates.
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I didn't even mention that and you brought it up.
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Old 10-24-2013, 09:17 PM   #66 (permalink)
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Or make what could be the best possible deal, which could very well be making no deal.
So, MU will make no deal and keep RG and keep KL too where he'll get a lot of $ this offseason due to the dearth at the PG spot of the 2014 Free Agency class all while not trading any significant salary and having no significant expirings (unless we count AG).
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Or make what could be the best possible deal, which could very well be making no deal.
Somebody is getting dealt this year. Masai isn't a fool he knows this team has no chance at a chip as is and KL and Rudy could both leave for nothing at the end of the year.
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Old 10-24-2013, 10:19 PM   #68 (permalink)
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So, MU will make no deal and keep RG and keep KL too where he'll get a lot of $ this offseason due to the dearth at the PG spot of the 2014 Free Agency class all while not trading any significant salary and having no significant expirings (unless we count AG).
there may not be a ton of PGs available, but there aren't that many teams looking for one either. And of those teams that are looking for one, how many will have the cap space to go after lowry? I think that, barring an all star season from him, we can resign him for under 10M. The question really is if we want it - I would be quite uncomfortable based on what I've seen last season.

While I agree that this team has little chance of getting too close to a title unless it goes through a massive restructuring, I've always been very skeptical of MLSE's desire to go through a total rebuild. I think MU and TL may be very keen to do it, but we'll see if the can convince the top brass to support such a plan. Especially if we end up having a nice 42+ season with a juicy (financially speaking) 1st round against miami.
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I didn't even mention that and you brought it up.
I apologize if you were not in fact minimizing Demar's improvements and reinterpreting another poster's hopeful expectations to suit more negative expectations.

As for the need for a trade, well hell yeah, there will be a need for trades. But there are going to be some options, especially if you look at a two year window. Trades are going to need to be smart and timely with care given to good contracts on players that are young and improving.
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I apologize if you were not in fact minimizing Demar's improvements and reinterpreting another poster's hopeful expectations to suit more negative expectations.

As for the need for a trade, well hell yeah, there will be a need for trades. But there are going to be some options, especially if you look at a two year window. Trades are going to need to be smart and timely with care given to good contracts on players that are young and improving.
Well yes and no. I want to see how these improvements are in the season that actually counts.

Well duh. Nobody is saying trade DD for Stuckey only or something like that (just an example).
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Well yes and no. I want to see how these improvements are in the season that actually counts.

Well duh. Nobody is saying trade DD for Stuckey only or something like that (just an example).
I think sometimes people get so used to the mindset of wanting people gone that they associate the idea of trading someone only worthwhile if it's someone they don't want. You can't just trade junk for gold. The idea of trading DD, even if he were to become an all-star, isn't born of the notion that he is worthless but rather that he still could be regarded as having greater potential by some. Had it been suggested to amnesty him for nothing in return, then I'd understand the unwillingness to discuss it as a viable option.
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I think sometimes people get so used to the mindset of wanting people gone that they associate the idea of trading someone only worthwhile if it's someone they don't want. You can't just trade junk for gold. The idea of trading DD, even if he were to become an all-star, isn't born of the notion that he is worthless but rather that he still could be regarded as having greater potential by some. Had it been suggested to amnesty him for nothing in return, then I'd understand the unwillingness to discuss it as a viable option.
so you're 100000000 percent sure he can't get better, and what he is now isn't worth it to keep around at a decent salary of 9 million?

ok then
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so you're 100000000 percent sure he can't get better, and what he is now isn't worth it to keep around at a decent salary of 9 million?

ok then
no... that's not what I've said at all.

I'm saying, if we can sell based on his potential that you see, then we should. That potential is far from a given to be realized.

And yes, what he is now is not worth 9M per.
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no... that's not what I've said at all.

I'm saying, if we can sell based on his potential that you see, then we should. That potential is far from a given to be realized.

And yes, what he is now is not worth 9M per.
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so you're 100000000 percent sure he can't get better, and what he is now isn't worth it to keep around at a decent salary of 9 million?

ok then
It's 9.5 million. 0.5 million isn't that much money though, just ask MLSE and the Ontario government
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no... that's not what I've said at all.

I'm saying, if we can sell based on his potential that you see, then we should. That potential is far from a given to be realized.

And yes, what he is now is not worth 9M per.
i don't agree with you, but i get your logic.
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i don't agree with you, but i get your logic.
I can appreciate that. While I'm not sold on him, I can see why others may be.
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If demar truly becomes a leader, and commits fully to defense, then he's easily worth 9 million. He made good on a lot of potential last season already. If he becomes at all capable of willing this team to victory then he's probably better here than Rudy. Now people will put that much of a jump out of their minds. Why i don't know. Players like him are capable of making such a jump. And he already showed signs last season. Check that loss in LA again. The rest of the team let him down on that one.
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If demar truly becomes a leader, and commits fully to defense, then he's easily worth 9 million. He made good on a lot of potential last season already. If he becomes at all capable of willing this team to victory then he's probably better here than Rudy. Now people will put that much of a jump out of their minds. Why i don't know. Players like him are capable of making such a jump. And he already showed signs last season. Check that loss in LA again. The rest of the team let him down on that one.
I agree that he may be capable, I just don't see him fully committing on D and leadership doesn't have to be hoisted on anyone. It's a nice story that he wants to lead though.

Again, we all don't have to agree. I respect the position that he may one day be worth the money but I don't see it being true for another few years if at all.
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I agree that he may be capable, I just don't see him fully committing on D and leadership doesn't have to be hoisted on anyone. It's a nice story that he wants to lead though.

Again, we all don't have to agree. I respect the position that he may one day be worth the money but I don't see it being true for another few years if at all.
what you're expecting 9 million to get you is a dominant all star/near superstar. but in today's market that costs more than 9, probably just shy of the max, if not the max. demar's contract is NOT a reason we should trade him. contracts hurting us right now are like fields's contact. if we keep the contracts that are worth it, and subtract the ones that aren't, we're in a good cap situation. what's hurting our cap situation is NOT demar, but rather rudy, fields, etc.
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what you're expecting 9 million to get you is a dominant all star/near superstar. but in today's market that costs more than 9, probably just shy of the max, if not the max. demar's contract is NOT a reason we should trade him. contracts hurting us right now are like fields's contact. if we keep the contracts that are worth it, and subtract the ones that aren't, we're in a good cap situation. what's hurting our cap situation is NOT demar, but rather rudy, fields, etc.
He is not expecting an all star. He's expecting D+the 3, which is a common aspect of most starting wings in the NBA. I'm pretty sure he also assumes that many raps fans are kind of expecting DD to take that superstar trajectory.
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