Alternative wing players?
Old 11-02-2013, 05:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Just thinking about What Ujiri might do and it does seem as though there are some decent wing players who might be available....

Rondo:

Would be a tough get since he's an established all-star and one of the best PGs in the game. BOS seems to be tanking hard though so who knows what's possible?


G. Hayward:

The Jazz haven't offered him an extension yet and may not, choosing to see what his value is on the open market. Would he be worth $9-10M/yr? I'm guessing that's probably what he's looking for...


Aaron Afflalo:

Like the Celts, the Magic are in full rebuilding mode AND they have Oladipo waiting in the wings to take Aaron's spot. AA seems like he could be had for cheap and has been pretty impressive thus far.


Trevor Ariza:

He's expiring and playing very well.... and the Wiz drafted Otto Jr.... perhaps they might look to deal Trevor rather than pay up next summer?




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Ainge would probably push pretty hard for our first rounder in any deal involving Rondo. And a deal like that would be pretty enticing, for me at least. Talents like Rondo don't get tossed around every day.
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I would give our 3 NYK picks, Lowry, and Ross. Something along those lines. Throw in Rudy instead?
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If we could do a 3 team deal to get Rondo + a wing player (Afflalo?) i think then we can start doing something. But that won't do much unless Casey is canned for a better proven coach. I still say Harrison Barnes could possibly be had.

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I'm confused as to the premise of this thread. Are these targets Masai would be looking to go after this year, before the deadline, or in the offseason in free agency? Because if it's before the deadline, Afflalo and Hayward make no sense because UTA wont trade Hayward given their rebuilding situation unless they're blown away, and we wouldnt want to take on Afflalo as a backup player(assuming Demar/Gay werent included), or trade DD for him. ORL wouldnt want Gay.

Ariza would make sense in a Gay deal because his contact is expiring and you can make the deal work financially with the different contracts WAS has, plus they need to make the playoffs this year. The issue is they probably wont want to give up a future 1st since they just traded their 2014 pick for Gortat.

With regard to Rondo, I could totally see Masai trying to acquire him to make a big splash, and Rondo would be fantastic with Valanciunius. The issue is whether we're willing to give up our 1st round pick, and when the trade would be made. I think a Rudy Gay and probably a Derozan trade would have to follow right afterward, because those two would not fit with Rondo at all in any setting. Plus if we give up our 2014 pick(which would be protected), we'd have to be trying to make the playoffs at the same time.

If Rondo came back healthy, I wouldnt be against trading Lowry and our 1st to Boston to get him, but again, Masai would need to make some follow up trades to balance out the roster.

Rondo/Val is a very good core to begin building around.
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I still say Harrison Barnes could possibly be had.
Not sure why you think that when GSW can afford to keep him as their 6th man and develop him while they continue to make strides in becoming a contending team. He isn't due for a long term extension for another couple of years, so unless they can acquire a franchise changing player in a package for him and Lee, he's not going anywhere.
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Problem is rondo is 27 or something ain't he? Getting rondo would be going to be contenders right now, and not in 3-4 years when val is in his prime. And as you said we would absolutely need to deal gay for someone who's a near automatic 3pt shooter. I don't see rondo working here unless we have a total roster overhaul
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Problem is rondo is 27 or something ain't he? Getting rondo would be going to be contenders right now, and not in 3-4 years when val is in his prime. And as you said we would absolutely need to deal gay for someone who's a near automatic 3pt shooter. I don't see rondo working here unless we have a total roster overhaul
Like Novak?

Rondo will be fine playing into his 30s. His game isn't reliant on explosiveness... it's all based on IQ.


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If Rondo came back healthy, I wouldnt be against trading Lowry and our 1st to Boston to get him, but again, Masai would need to make some follow up trades to balance out the roster.

Rondo/Val is a very good core to begin building around.

Agreed. Getting a player of Rondo's calibre is what you want if you're going to give up a lottery pick.... and that would be a great starting point to build a new core with.

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Old 11-02-2013, 06:31 PM   #9 (permalink)
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don't think JV will be in his prime in 3-4 years, more like 6-7. But I agree Rondo Is much better for someone who is looking to win now than us, but I would be very happy to get him. (still can't believe Piston fans don't want Rondo)
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Like Novak?

Rondo will be fine playing into his 30s. His game isn't reliant on explosiveness... it's all based on IQ.
It's reliant on quickness and explosiveness, or else he's not the top tier PG we'd be looking to trade for. We'd need to see him play a month or two before even considering it.

Is this thread based on going after players pre trade deadline or in the future/offseason?>
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It's reliant on quickness and explosiveness, or else he's not the top tier PG we'd be looking to trade for. We'd need to see him play a month or two before even considering it.

Is this thread based on going after players pre trade deadline or in the future/offseason?>
True... but I doubt that he'll ever be "slow". I'm just comparing him to guys like Rose, Westbrook and Amare who's games are built around athletic explosions to the rim.

As for pre-trade deadline vs. post.... I didn't really have anything in mind. Just thinking about what players are out there to be had.
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Rudy for Deng and Chicago's first rounder top 20 protected? I think CHI would have no issue with that and it's pretty good value for us but I don't know what direction that deal is taking us. Seems like a lateral move.
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Jeff Green+ prospect could work for us to stretch the floor as 4 and get minutes as 3 when needed too. Amir+Ross+Fields could work. I like Ross, but Green could contribute right away and if that means we could get a second player (prospect) and give away a bad contract of Fields it would be a move forward.
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Rudy Gay and 2014 1st for Klay Thompson and David Lee

Kyle Lowry, Amir Johnson, All 3 knicks picks and 2017 1st lottery protected for Rondo

Rondo/Augustin
DeRozan/Ross
Thompson/Fields
Lee/Hansbrough
Valanciunas/Lee/Hansbrough
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Rudy for Deng and Chicago's first rounder top 20 protected? I think CHI would have no issue with that and it's pretty good value for us but I don't know what direction that deal is taking us. Seems like a lateral move.

Not sure why would they do it, but assuming they would I would ask for rights of Mirotic instead of pick
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Rudy Gay and 2014 1st for Klay Thompson and David Lee

Kyle Lowry, Amir Johnson, All 3 knicks picks and 2017 1st lottery protected for Rondo

Rondo/Augustin
DeRozan/Ross
Thompson/Fields
Lee/Hansbrough
Valanciunas/Lee/Hansbrough
giving a 2014 pick, u sure?
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Rudy Gay and 2014 1st for Klay Thompson and David Lee

Kyle Lowry, Amir Johnson, All 3 knicks picks and 2017 1st lottery protected for Rondo

Rondo/Augustin
DeRozan/Ross
Thompson/Fields
Lee/Hansbrough
Valanciunas/Lee/Hansbrough
GSW doesn't need Gay
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Not sure why would they do it, but assuming they would I would ask for rights of Mirotic instead of pick
That logic makes sense: I don't find that deal good for chicago, but I think we should ask for more value

And I think it makes sense because Deng is expiring and Rudy would be the 2nd shot creator Chicago needs whereas Deng is more of a spot up threat.
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