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Old 11-17-2010, 12:46 AM   #41 (permalink)
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I thought you were going tell me Andrea's situation with the team. I was eager to hear your opinion.
Oh, well you should've asked.

I think Andrea is still adjusting to being a number one option. Do I think he should be a number one option? Nope. But he is being forced to take on this role. On paper, he is our best player. That means that when the coach reads the scouting report, the first thing he reads is how to slow down Andrea. I think with a legit number one option, he would be alot more effective without the pressure of double teams.
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Old 11-17-2010, 12:47 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Once again, RF members have a one game memory span. A player plays poorly and we should A) bench him B) Trade him. Such a bipolar crowd.

I'm not a Bargnani fan, but he's a decent player. Today (against Washington) he was awful. He's still averaging 20 pts a game. That may be one dimensional, but sufficient for a starting position on Toronto.

I'm really not trying to defend Bargnani, but you just have to accept him for what he is... a scorer. Don't expect him to rebound and be a defensive presence. He will always be mediocre on defense. It is what it is.

Can't argue about a guy after one game. One night he will score 5 pts, another 35 pts. He's averaging 5 rbs a night and its inevitable that he will have 12 rbs one night. Argue averages not single games.
agree with almost everything here

Bargs will never be a great rebounder, he should be geting 7 a game,

he had a bad offensive night, two in a row, big deal lots of player do that, even allstars

we need a PG like Kenny Smith said

no more Reggie Evans, playing 4 on 5 on offence is insane, everyone is receiving doubles, the driving lanes are closed, it doesn't allow anyone to penetrate, Bargs,Jack and Demar all have struggled with this, the reason why Reggie gets so many offensive rebounds is that his man leaves him which when the ball comes to him there is no one to stop him from geting to it, if Amir was on the floor the man would have to respect Amir capability of finishing in the lane which would open up more opportunities on the offensive end

so is it worth it to have Reggie on the floor to get 3 or 4 offensive rebounds, or have our offence having more options on the floor every offensive posession
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Old 11-17-2010, 12:57 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Oh, well you should've asked.

I think Andrea is still adjusting to being a number one option. Do I think he should be a number one option? Nope. But he is being forced to take on this role. On paper, he is our best player. That means that when the coach reads the scouting report, the first thing he reads is how to slow down Andrea. I think with a legit number one option, he would be alot more effective without the pressure of double teams.
But if he isn't your number one guy, what does he bring to the table as a starter?

Bringing him off the bench could define his career in a good way. He could be a great bench player and I think that role could take a lot of pressure off him more than another player. He might like coming into a game where storylines have already been developed and there isn't the pressure on him to perform like a player he isn't.

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Old 11-17-2010, 12:59 AM   #44 (permalink)
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no more Reggie Evans, playing 4 on 5 on offence is insane, everyone is receiving doubles, the driving lanes are closed, it doesn't allow anyone to penetrate, Bargs,Jack and Demar all have struggled with this, the reason why Reggie gets so many offensive rebounds is that his man leaves him which when the ball comes to him there is no one to stop him from geting to it, if Amir was on the floor the man would have to respect Amir capability of finishing in the lane which would open up more opportunities on the offensive end

so is it worth it to have Reggie on the floor to get 3 or 4 offensive rebounds, or have our offence having more options on the floor every offensive posession
Reggie is passing the basketball like Vlade fucking Divac. Reggie is a baller.
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Old 11-17-2010, 01:04 AM   #45 (permalink)
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ugchhh...this guy is the most inconsistent player of ALL TIME. Don't remember what I voted for but i would say we keep him as a spot up shooter, he should not drive the ball EVER!! he should not post up, and back down EVER!! He's a jump shooter, clear and simple, end of story.
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Doersey has a better impact on games
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Old 11-17-2010, 01:23 AM   #47 (permalink)
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there are only 2 all stars from that draft an one of them has bad injuries, what a shite draft
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Man these threads spawn every year
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Now thats just going too far.
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Old 11-17-2010, 03:19 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Hi guys,

as usual after a bad game everyone is hot to s*it on our players and staff.

So lets immagine we could trade bargs: i ask all of you who wants Bargs out of town to answer the following 3 questions:

1) Who you want in return of Bargs (realistic trades only)
2) Benefits in the short term
3) Benefits in the long run

Would be interesting to hear all you bargs-haters about this.
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Andrea is a scorer. Great. A scorer that misses 48 shots in the last 4 games, for a percentage that is just ridiculous for a C or PF, or any kind of player really. A scorer that airballs from 4 feet out. A scorer that fails to run hard on a team that has it's greatest success on the run. A scorer that disappears in fourth quarters, if not in the second half of games where his shot has been falling.

And meanwhile teams are shooting close to 60 percent on a regular basis.
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Old 11-17-2010, 08:51 AM   #55 (permalink)
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Doesn't that tell you something. It's speaks volumes imo.
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Realistic trade you say- Bargnani for salami/cheese sandwich+ Jamario Moon+ a spanking new Spalding
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I just can't defend the guy anymore.

This isn't a one game thing as some have mentioned. He played HORRIBLY in Orlando and Miami as well.

He's a scorer? A scorer and can score with efficiency. In different ways. He can use defense to facilitate his offensive game. Does Bargnani really do that?

How many times do I have to see him be indecisive with the ball? How many times is he going to shoot flat footed and hit the front iron?

How many times do I have to watch him stand on the perimeter when guys like Reggie, Sonny and Jack are in there trying to get a rebound but giving up size? He never takes his man out of the play.

DK said he boxes his man out 90% of the time to let the other player get the rebound. Really? He's giving up stats? This is a man that LOVES stats. Against this same Wizards team, about 2 years ago, he held onto to the ball waiting to get fouled so he can up his point total. That was the day I realized I dislike Andrea.

How about taking a charge? How about playing with some passion? How about swinging the ball and not using it as a last resort.

I'm done with him.
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I just can't defend the guy anymore.

This isn't a one game thing as some have mentioned. He played HORRIBLY in Orlando and Miami as well.

He's a scorer? A scorer and can score with efficiency. In different ways. He can use defense to facilitate his offensive game. Does Bargnani really do that?

How many times do I have to see him be indecisive with the ball? How many times is he going to shoot flat footed and hit the front iron?

How many times do I have to watch him stand on the perimeter when guys like Reggie, Sonny and Jack are in there trying to get a rebound but giving up size? He never takes his man out of the play.

DK said he boxes his man out 90% of the time to let the other player get the rebound. Really? He's giving up stats? This is a man that LOVES stats. Against this same Wizards team, about 2 years ago, he held onto to the ball waiting to get fouled so he can up his point total. That was the day I realized I dislike Andrea.

How about taking a charge? How about playing with some passion? How about swinging the ball and not using it as a last resort.

I'm done with him.
I had the same feeling after the crappy sophmore year Bargnani put up. After the game, I watched the Memphis and Portland Game. Its amazing how Rudy Gay and LaMarcus Aldridge game has evolved and improved after their rookie season. They know how to play the game, where to get there points and where to postion themselves on defense. The same can be said of Brandon Roy, Rajon Rondo and Luis Scola. By Year 5, players should have good understanding of the game and know how to play on both sides of the ball. Watching Bargnani last night and most of the season, he is a deer in headlights on defense and chucking the ball on offense to get his points. We have the 7ft Tim Thomas in our hands. You don't win with these type of players.
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You couldn't have named 4 names that are worse examples my friend, other than maybe Boozer. Dirk is considered a perimeter big. As is Bosh. Hell, you could even include Amare as a perimeter big. Yes, they all get a few more rebounds a game than Bargnani, but if you have been watching Bargs over the years, you will have noticed that the reason his rebounding numbers are low is because he boxes out his man 90% of the time before he tries to rebound. That means that Bosh (or this year, Reggie) can swoop in their and grab that board.
I'm sorry DK... I like you... but that's horseshit.

Reggie and Bosh got rebounds because they actually went out and TRIED to get them.... something Bargs almost never does.

Dorsey grabbed more rebounds in 5 min. of action than Bargs did in 28 lol....

In fact... Bargs is avging 4.7 rebs/gm in 34 min/gm.

Dorsey is avging 4.3 rebs/gm in 8 min/gm.

That tells me all I need to know about the effort that Bargs puts into rebounding.

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Once again, RF members have a one game memory span. A player plays poorly and we should A) bench him B) Trade him. Such a bipolar crowd.

I'm not a Bargnani fan, but he's a decent player. Today (against Washington) he was awful. He's still averaging 20 pts a game. That may be one dimensional, but sufficient for a starting position on Toronto.

I'm really not trying to defend Bargnani, but you just have to accept him for what he is... a scorer. Don't expect him to rebound and be a defensive presence. He will always be mediocre on defense. It is what it is.

Can't argue about a guy after one game. One night he will score 5 pts, another 35 pts. He's averaging 5 rbs a night and its inevitable that he will have 12 rbs one night. Argue averages not single games.
Didnt know members on this board like LOSING.

Bargnani has 3 REBOUNDS OR LESS in 6 of 11 games.

Tell Bargnani to GET THE FUCK OUT
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