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Old 11-22-2010, 12:52 AM   #181 (permalink)
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And you'll find a lot of people (me included) saying that Bargs played pretty well today.

It's his total body of work that's in question here.

If he plays EVERY game the way that he played today then I think you'll see the hate fall away.
Exactly. If he gave consistent effort every night at both ends and didn't disappear for the stretches he does, this guy would be loved here. As it stands now there is no consensus either way about him. There are such varying opinions on him. And considering he's been here as long as he has it speaks volumes.
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Old 11-22-2010, 01:04 AM   #182 (permalink)
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From an NBA scout. On what prevents Andrea Bargnani from replicating the success of Dirk Nowitzki: "They both have the height, they're both European and they both shoot it really well. But I don't think Bargnani moves as well as Nowitzki, who is a lot more fluid, more mobile. Nowitzki came into the league and was really skinny as more of a 3 or 4. Bargnani came in built as more of a 4 or 5. It's true that Bargnani is really a power forward, but at 7 feet, he's the closest thing Toronto has to a center. But it really comes down to Nowitzki being more mobile -- you could always run him off screens, and that's something you can't do with Bargnani."
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Old 11-22-2010, 09:20 AM   #183 (permalink)
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I've said more than once, Bargs needs to drop a few pounds to take better advantage of his skillset.
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Old 11-22-2010, 10:33 AM   #184 (permalink)
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Dropping a few pounds is not going to change his build. His frame is still going to be what it is, and not turn him into Dirk. And his slow reactions are not going to change. That's just neurons firing. If we play more of a run and gun style, then dropping some weight will help him, but so would putting some good muscle on those legs.
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Old 11-22-2010, 10:36 AM   #185 (permalink)
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Dropping a few pounds is not going to change his build. His frame is still going to be what it is, and not turn him into Dirk. And his slow reactions are not going to change. That's just neurons firing. If we play more of a run and gun style, then dropping some weight will help him, but so would putting some good muscle on those legs.
From what I can tell, he actually has pretty thick legs.
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Old 11-22-2010, 10:58 AM   #186 (permalink)
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From what I can tell, he actually has pretty thick legs.
I didn't mean bulking up in terms of strength - more the sort of muscle that helps in terms of endurance, for the running. His legs seem to leave him about 28 minutes into any given game. Maybe losing some weight would help with the endurance as well, but he's been lighter and come across the same sort of problems. I just don't see him having a Dirk motor, ever. But if there was any way to achieve it, I would guess it would be the right kind of conditioning for his legs.
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Old 11-22-2010, 11:41 AM   #187 (permalink)
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I didn't mean bulking up in terms of strength - more the sort of muscle that helps in terms of endurance, for the running. His legs seem to leave him about 28 minutes into any given game. Maybe losing some weight would help with the endurance as well, but he's been lighter and come across the same sort of problems. I just don't see him having a Dirk motor, ever. But if there was any way to achieve it, I would guess it would be the right kind of conditioning for his legs.
I see what you're saying, I misunderstood. I suppose he could improve his overall conditioning, but at least he's not like Yao who's grabbing his shorts after one time up the floor.

Also, Dirk comparisons aside, I think we tend to lose site of the fact that he does some pretty amazing things for a 7 footer. I got a chance to check out yesterday's game and those reverse and 1's and off ballance shots in the lane were a thing of beauty.
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he can be electrifying - no doubting that

when shit comes easy for him it really comes easy for him, and it makes you befuddled at how shit can be so hard for him ever.
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Another couple of 20+ games and the thread would have to be re-named.
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Another couple of 20+ games and the thread would have to be re-named.
Sadly, the criticisms directed towards Bargs have never been about the number of points that he scores... it's everything ELSE that's been a concern.
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Sadly, the criticisms directed towards Bargs have never been about the number of points that he scores... it's everything ELSE that's been a concern.
Then how come the tone of the thread changed dramatically after a string of successful offensive games?
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Then how come the tone of the thread changed dramatically after a string of successful offensive games?
If I can answer that - sadly because that is about the only time we see him give a shit about doing some of the little things beyond just scoring.
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Andrea Bargnani: 7-0 250 lbs.

Pau Gasol: 7-0 250 lbs.

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Then how come the tone of the thread changed dramatically after a string of successful offensive games?
I can't speak for anyone else.... but I was most impressed with Bargs LAST game because he actually made an effort to get to the line and battle a bit down low.

As I've said before... if that becomes a habit he'll become MUCH more valuable to this team and most of the hate will fall away.

Bargs' scoring touch has never been questioned... his HEART has.
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Sadly, the criticisms directed towards Bargs have never been about the number of points that he scores... it's everything ELSE that's been a concern.
This is what kills me. Scoring has never really an issue with him. But it's his lack of blocking shots, rebounding, help D, consistent effort. All of that is overlooked if we win. If we lost yesterday, people would be pointing to his 2reb in 40min as a reason why.
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This is what kills me. Scoring has never really an issue with him. But it's his lack of blocking shots, rebounding, help D, consistent effort. All of that is overlooked if we win. If we lost yesterday, people would be pointing to his 2reb in 40min as a reason why.
Even if we had outrebounded Boston?
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This is what kills me. Scoring has never really an issue with him. But it's his lack of blocking shots, rebounding, help D, consistent effort. All of that is overlooked if we win. If we lost yesterday, people would be pointing to his 2reb in 40min as a reason why.
I wouldn't have actually. I would criticize him for some of the boards he missed that went for second chance opportunities, and for disappearing a little bit down the stretch. But that collapse was more about Boston than anything any Raptor did. Boston did the same thing to OKC the game before.

This game was simply one of those really good games from Andrea that I'd wish I could see every time out. He gave the team a chance to win. That's about as good as it's going to get this season, I think. And it's so much better than when he is clearly negating so many other good things coming from the rest of the team.
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Andrea Bargnani: 7-0 250 lbs.

Pau Gasol: 7-0 250 lbs.

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Pau is the player that we should be measuring Bargnani with. Defensively, I think he can get to Pau's level. Offensively, I think he can be better. Rebounding and help D clearly Bargnani is lacking. Bargnani is also getting like 5M less a year.... so with a little improvement on rebounding and help D, maybe he's a real bargain?
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Andrea Bargnani: 7-0 250 lbs.

Pau Gasol: 7-0 250 lbs.

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I was watching two Bulls game last week, Noah doesn't have broad shoulders or any big biceps. He doesn't jump out the gym, but if you put him next to Bargnani, they have the same body type. Its all mentality and heart when its comes to playing defense and boards. Starting to love Reggie Evans. How does a 6'7 guy with no jumping ability grab boards over Dwight Howard, Shaq, and Kevin Garnett. Dwight Howard and Noah for the center position in the Eastern Conference for the next 5 years.
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Bargainani? Me likey.
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