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Old 07-13-2008, 09:21 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Well we know one thing for sure. The benchers for PF and C are not gonna get a lot of time on the court.

And why is Bargs in 3 different positions?
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Old 07-13-2008, 09:28 PM   #62 (permalink)
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you don't think they'll put him out with o'neal and bosh? i wouldn't be surprised if he were to first relieve moon before they took either o'neal or Bosh out and moved him to the front court. i don't suppose he would be a bigger liability than kapono at the three, and we'd give teams fits trying to adjust to our size.
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Yep - I really hope he gets to play some 3. He moves his feet well on defense. And the whole reason he was picked #1 was because of his overall skills and versatility. Everyone wants to pin him down in one spot, and everyone loved him playing as a big from behind the arc, but where he really becomes valuable is when he reaches the point where he can do whatever he needs to do at almost any position. And you know what - that really should take some time if you really think about it. Having CB and JO to fall back on is going to help him get there a little quicker I hope.
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Well we know one thing for sure. The benchers for PF and C are not gonna get a lot of time on the court.

And why is Bargs in 3 different positions?
Well he can certainly spell Bosh some minutes and play 12 minutes at PF and he can also back up Moon/Kapono who ever starts and he can also play a little at centre if he developes the way they think he might. There is no way he does this IMO.I think he'll primarily be backing up Bosh 12-15 minutes every night and then get 8 minutes at the 3!He'll start the season playing 20-22 minutes a night.
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Old 07-13-2008, 10:04 PM   #65 (permalink)
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I think Bargs will play the front only (4 or 5)... he will play beside JO or Bosh (as one of them will always be on the floor). That will give our opponents three pairs of twin towers at all times (JO/Bosh, JO/Bargs, Bargs/Bosh). This should get Bargs approx 20-25mpg.

I have a feeling we won't see a 3-headed monster of JO/Bosh/Bargs on the floor at the same time (unless we are matched up against a tall team). Humps/Jawai for foul trouble and garbage time.

The The 2 and 3 positions will be a 3-man rotation of AP/Moon/Kapono... with extras like Graham/Hassan for foul situations and garbage time.

Disclaimer--- this is of course if we go to an 8-man rotation (hoping)...
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Old 07-14-2008, 01:14 PM   #66 (permalink)
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what's this obsession with an 8-man rotation ... The fewer people in the rotation, the more minutes for the the rest, making them more tired for the playoffs. I'd rather have 10+ players playing, but only 7-8 getting significant minutes.
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what's this obsession with an 8-man rotation ... The fewer people in the rotation, the more minutes for the the rest, making them more tired for the playoffs. I'd rather have 10+ players playing, but only 7-8 getting significant minutes.
Thats what will happpen, there is going to be garbage time on bad losses or big wins. 8 guys will get a majority of the minutes with the rest getting small amounts. If Bosh Bargs and JO all average only 30 mins per night then that only leaves 6 min for Hump/Jawai

If AP, Kaps and Moon all average only 30 mins a night then that only leaves 6 mins between Joey and Adams

Jose is the only player who will log alot of minutes this year.
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Old 07-14-2008, 04:30 PM   #68 (permalink)
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The problem with 10+ more players on the bench is that half of the guys there will average about 1 minute per game....seriously
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not really, more like 6-8 minutes for a 9th+ player each game, but every game a different player gets playing time. So these players will get a chance to play some significant minutes every 4th game or so. This gives a chance to our rotation guys to take a night off every now and then (by night off I mean playing 25 minutes or so) and it's a lot better for the bench players to get some real time as opposed to playing 1 minute, or until they make a mistake.
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Agrees with moremilk I does.
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Old 07-15-2008, 06:43 PM   #71 (permalink)
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not really, more like 6-8 minutes for a 9th+ player each game, but every game a different player gets playing time. So these players will get a chance to play some significant minutes every 4th game or so. This gives a chance to our rotation guys to take a night off every now and then (by night off I mean playing 25 minutes or so) and it's a lot better for the bench players to get some real time as opposed to playing 1 minute, or until they make a mistake.
Yes... I think we are on the same page... I would definitely let the other guys play during a bad game when the raps are getting killed, or a blowout... which hopefully is less frequent than every 4 games... but during tight (close) games... you want ur starters on the floor.. the guys who know the tempo of the game... ur 9th and 10th man in a tight competitive game will come in halfway during the 2nd half COLD... and playing against the other teams starter and/or regular subs....

So here's hoping our starters plus regular subs kill the opponents so they can all take a breather halfway through the 4th... and getting 30 mpg only
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I realize you're right moremilk but its obvious that the more players on a team, the less minutes some of them will get.....it's common sense. Now maybe it was too much to say 1 minute per game but you know what I mean.
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I don't think there is anything wrong with an 8 man rotation. Especially until some of these new guys learn the system better and show what they can do in the NBA. We have alot of wildcard type players coming off the bench that we are unsure of ATM....Adam, Jawai, Graham, (...and even to a lesser extent Ukic as we have only seen him in international ball). The biggest wildcard being Jawai. If he can develop quickly, he will be able to be the our backup C and 3rd string PF, keeping Bargnani out of the 5 for the most part (as I find that is where he struggles most) and helping us keep Bosh's regular season minutes down to keep his legs healthy. Plus, Bargnani would do better against the backup 5's in the league, but until he gets a little tougher and comfortable playing around the basket I don't like him at the 5. This would let him backup Bosh , and log some time at the 3 as Jeffb said above. This would let us have a 9 man rotation, and that is plenty deep enough. As much as I love Hump, he doesn't make the cut........ unless we have an injury up front (which is bound to happen at some point). Then he gets to log some significant minutes for us.
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I'm pretty sure that this year's finalists have both very deep rotations during the regular season. I think the confusion here is that what most people actually want is not a short rotation, but defined roles. Last 2 seasons there was a lot of debate about many of our players and the positions they play. And I think next season it will be different, there will be far less indecision as to who plays what. Calderon will no longer play SG at times along ford, Delfino will no longer be a 1-2-3 guy, Bargnani will not be a SF anymore. Also, with minor exeptions, we will know for sure who's a starter and who's a backup and how many minutes they get.
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