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Old 07-11-2008, 04:18 PM   #41 (permalink)
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What is the chances that Sam knows enough to leave one of Kaps and AP on the court while the other is resting...not very good. That is why I say that one needs to play the Sixth man role for a change of pace. Mabey Bargs can fill that roll and then Im all for starting Kaps and AP I just don't think Bargs can bring that just yet.
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Old 07-11-2008, 04:20 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Well you can't argue with pace adjustment.

Warriors/Nuggets is usually going to have 220-230 points scored.

Raptors/Pistons is more likely to have around 180.

Slow teams give up fewer points and score fewer points. Fast teams do the opposite.
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Old 07-11-2008, 04:40 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Who starts means zippo to me. But now if this guy can take on any kind of meaningful role, then BC has done some pretty good work at getting guys from out of nowhere every year. And Sam has done a good job in using guys that came out of nowhere.
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Old 07-11-2008, 05:35 PM   #44 (permalink)
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This organization and management has really impressed my this offseason so far. The trade, sigings, Jawai, Roko, Hassan. I love it. I really hope BC's works will show and reflect onto the court this season.
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Old 07-12-2008, 11:41 AM   #45 (permalink)
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So, guys, you all of a sudden don't consider AP a good defender anymore? Why? IMO, he's been our best perimeter defender for two seasons now. That's not saying much, but still...
Not, AP is a good defender ... and a good 3 pointer shooter, if I put him and Kapono in different groups is due to his shooting abilities. Do you imagine Adams and Moon as our perimeter shooters at the same time on the court? Doesn't look good IMO.
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Old 07-12-2008, 11:58 AM   #46 (permalink)
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AP is a great defender and a great shooter...

Moon and Adams can defend but cant shoot

Kapono cant defend but CAN shoot...

AP is the best of both worlds... he is a proven starter and will remain in that role....

Why is everyone thinking AP cant shoot the 3? .... everyone already forget "18 parkerville court"? lol
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Old 07-12-2008, 01:36 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Hell no this is going to happen though.

Parker is the starting shooting guard and that's that. He will also draw the opponent's top swingman on defense.

Its sad to hear people talk about Parker not being good enough. He did have some injury issues, but even so, he is a guy who is remarkably valuable on the floor because he knows what he is supposed to do and what everyone else is supposed to do. Unfortunately, more often than not last year, they couldn't do it.

This year, I expect things will be different. With two athletic, experienced big men in the middle. And when Parker defends his man inside, the rotations should be there, where they weren't last year. And so Parker will wind up looking better on D.

I am not sure people quite understand the difference between having Bargs and Rasho in the middle as opposed to JO. Those benefits shine outward on the floor in ways that we simply haven't seen in TO. And that's just on defense. Offensively, with the way this team runs the pick and roll, it should be huge - and Parker will be a big part of that.
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Old 07-12-2008, 10:30 PM   #48 (permalink)
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6'3 Sg's dont start on NBA teams unless they have Iverson/Ellis capabilities. Even Barbosa doesnt start. Theyre all defensively challenged just due to height alone, and if they dont have the offence to back it up it fucks up their team to start them at the 2.

Doug Smith just continues to throw his reputation down the drain.

Maybe he'll predict the Celts finishing behind NJ and TOR again next year!
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Old 07-12-2008, 11:41 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Ben Gordon?
Rashad McCants?
Cutino Mobley?
Willie Green?

These are all guys under 6-3 who start at SG for their team.

And as you can tell by the names (except maybe Gordon) none of them have Iverson/Ellis capabilities.
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Old 07-13-2008, 01:16 AM   #50 (permalink)
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Ben Gordon? 27 GS
Rashad McCants? 24 GS
Cutino Mobley? 38 games started
Willie Green? sucks and only starts because Philly has no one else.
Ben Gordon started the year and played terrible and went back to the bench where he excelled a lot more than in the starting lineup.

Mccants doesnt even start 1/3 of the games he played in for a bottom 5 team. Mobley about 2/5 and like Philly, they have no other SGs yet he only started this amount of games.

And Philly fans despise Green, so dont even bring him into the conversation. The guy is a pure bench player whose only starting because like I said before, they have no one else.

None of these guys start on a consistant basis besides Mobley in the past, and hes taller than 6'2/6'3.
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Old 07-13-2008, 01:44 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I though adams is 6'4" ?
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Old 07-13-2008, 02:36 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Yeah he's 6-4....why?
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Old 07-13-2008, 03:26 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Not a chance, Parker is a reliable NBA starter, if Hassan Adams is starting than either this team is going nowhere, or Parker is on the IR. The man has done everything asked of him, even started getting more aggressive to counteract Moon's lack thereof last season. Unless Moon starts attacking the basket he shouldn't start next season. With Bosh and JO eating up alot of touches, and drawing double teams, having Jose, Kapono, and AP on the court together should be lethal.

Personally id rather have Kapono working the other teams wing on offense, than Moon giving them a rest, but working on the defensive end. Not to mention Moon will have significant athletic advantage over every teams second string players. I realize this means our second string wings lack range, but with Bargnani that kind of evens out.

Hopefully the Moon will attack every time he touches the basketball, that way he is working the opposing swing player, and offers a different look than just a jump shooting wing...but until he proves that he is a one dimensional, average mid range jumper, and back door cutting player...im not even asking for 10 PPG, just more aggressiveness from the best athlete on our team.
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Old 07-13-2008, 03:54 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Parker is a bargain and that's it. He's now on the downside of his career and you could tell last season because defensively he's lost a step. He became evermore inconsistent on offense too which was frustrating to watch at time. He's replaceable forsure and on any other decent team Parker's nothing more than a bench player. I think he's a class act and a good guy to have around the locker room, but I'm just not as smitten with him as much as the rest of you. If Adams comes in and out plays Anthony, then he deserves the starting spot. I just don't see it happening of those are our two options at SG this season.
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Old 07-13-2008, 04:54 PM   #55 (permalink)
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If Adams is actually fighting for a starting spot this year BC deserves to be fired because thatll show what a horrible job hes done at filling the wing positions. It isnt going to happen though so no need to worry.

I think AP's defence will look a lot better with JO back there instead of Andrea, and hes still a very steady shooter.
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Old 07-13-2008, 06:42 PM   #56 (permalink)
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He isn't as bad as you guys seem. I mean I know AP should start and that's my opinion, but you guys are treating him like a Joey Graham type of player. He's not all that bad at all.

Is he gonna start though? Definitely not. But he will be one hell of a 2nd stringer.
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Old 07-13-2008, 07:35 PM   #57 (permalink)
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Again, hes a 6'4 SF with limited skills. What makes you think hes going to be a major rotation player?

I really doubt he'll even come close to having the impact Joey had for us a year ago. That stretch where Bargs was hurt Joey really stepped his game up, I question whether Adams even has the talent level close to Joeys. If Joey had a brain he'd be a very solid rotation player.
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Again, hes a 6'4 SF with limited skills. What makes you think hes going to be a major rotation player?

I really doubt he'll even come close to having the impact Joey had for us a year ago. That stretch where Bargs was hurt Joey really stepped his game up, I question whether Adams even has the talent level close to Joeys. If Joey had a brain he'd be a very solid rotation player.
I think he has Joey's athletesism, but he has a brain and alot more agression especially on the defensive end. Joey Graham is nearly done in Toronto.Couldn't happen soon enough for me.
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Old 07-13-2008, 09:49 PM   #59 (permalink)
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I actually happen to think that Bargs-Jawai-Hump represent a very decent 4-5 rotation off the bench. Should any of CB/JO get hurt for an extended period of time this will change rapidly, but I am actually counting on Bargs making some strides this season and getting more and more ready to play starter's quality minutes.

Let's look at the roster as we assume it to stand at the moment:

PG - Calderon (Ukic)
SG - Parker (Adams, Ukic, Graham)
SF - Moon (Kapono, Bargnani, Graham)
PF - Bosh (Bargnani, Humphries)
C - O'Neal (Bargnani, Jawai)

That's 12 players under contract, assuming Ukic is signed. IMHO, that's the roster we are starting the season with. The only move I could see BC making is signing a veteran backup PG as an insurance for minimum money. IMHO, that roster is balanced enough and our position of weakness will be in the wings, just like last season.
Ouch..Hump being 2nd stringer? We could at least sign a big 6''10-7'' to play C and shift Jawai to PF..
I don't think Small will work as a full time bench.
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Bargnani is second string. I don't think there should be any reason he doesn't see 25+ minutes a night between O'Neal and Bosh. I also don't think 6'10 280lbs is small by any means measurable. As it stands, i'm completely comfortable with our front court.
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