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Old 07-11-2008, 12:27 PM   #21 (permalink)
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^^Agreed Parker and Moon will be the starters-Moon works much better on the starting unit than off the bench as it gives him some opportunity to get the ball going inside earlier on when gameplay is loose-it builds his confidence. Not to mention I love the idea of Moon roaming on defense when JO and Bosh is gaurding down low. Raps may become a team that could actually be considered a shot blocking threat
I think if we had someone as outspoken/emotional as Garnett, then that would take us to the next step. Garnett taught and urged his team to play defense and gave them confidence and that's how they became so good. If Jermaine can bring that to the table, we'll be pretty darn good next year.
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I actually happen to think that Bargs-Jawai-Hump represent a very decent 4-5 rotation off the bench. Should any of CB/JO get hurt for an extended period of time this will change rapidly, but I am actually counting on Bargs making some strides this season and getting more and more ready to play starter's quality minutes.

Let's look at the roster as we assume it to stand at the moment:

PG - Calderon (Ukic)
SG - Parker (Adams, Ukic, Graham)
SF - Moon (Kapono, Bargnani, Graham)
PF - Bosh (Bargnani, Humphries)
C - O'Neal (Bargnani, Jawai)

That's 12 players under contract, assuming Ukic is signed. IMHO, that's the roster we are starting the season with. The only move I could see BC making is signing a veteran backup PG as an insurance for minimum money. IMHO, that roster is balanced enough and our position of weakness will be in the wings, just like last season.
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^^agreed. And Oneal has been a defensive anchor on teams in the past and flourishes in that roll, I expect that team defense will improve greatly. 80 percent of defense is communication and pride and Oneal without a doubt brings that to the table

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Old 07-11-2008, 12:42 PM   #24 (permalink)
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if this becomes true... then bryan was successful in upgrading another starting position... i guess we can only hope for that much luck!!!
If Adams can develop a good jump shot he has potential to be an impact player(I don't mean star). His defense, handles, athleticism and slashing ability are already there.
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IMHO, with JO and Bosh starting up front, we are more likely to see Kapono start at SF over Moon than to see Adams starting at SG over Parker.

Think about it - with "twin towers redux" pretty much demanding double-teams in the post, you'd want to spread the floor as much as possible with 3-point shooters, right? Well, unless Adams became a long-distance threat in Europe, I'd say that Jose-AP-Kapono as 1-2-3 puts our opponents between the rock and the hard place like there is no tomorrow.
Excellent point Mike and I was thinking the same thing. Maybe Sam was finally onto something with Jason in the playoffs and found a way where Kapono could be useful. I expect more from Jason this season than I do from any other swingman we have.
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What worries me about Kaps in the starting lineup is his defense. I think Moon s better to start for this reason along with the fact that at the start of a game you need to establish inside presence which means that JO and Bosh will get the Majority of the touches with AP/Jose on the outside and Moon cutting. I do however think that Kaps should close out every quarter after inside game is established.

So I gues play moon for the first 5 or 6 per quarter with Kaps closing them out.
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I actually happen to think that Bargs-Jawai-Hump represent a very decent 4-5 rotation off the bench.
I don't. I assume when Bosh or JO get hurt, we'll have to play Bargs and Hump at the same time, which will be a total disaster defensively. If Jawai sucks (very possible), we're screwed as soon as someone gets injured.

What would be perfect is if Rasho got bought out and came back here. : )
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I don't. I assume when Bosh or JO get hurt, we'll have to play Bargs and Hump at the same time, which will be a total disaster defensively. If Jawai sucks (very possible), we're screwed as soon as someone gets injured.

What would be perfect is if Rasho got bought out and came back here. : )
JO and the Smitch are saying that one of either Bosh and JO will be on the floor at ALL times.
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What worries me about Kaps in the starting lineup is his defense. I think Moon s better to start for this reason along with the fact that at the start of a game you need to establish inside presence which means that JO and Bosh will get the Majority of the touches with AP/Jose on the outside and Moon cutting. I do however think that Kaps should close out every quarter after inside game is established.

So I gues play moon for the first 5 or 6 per quarter with Kaps closing them out.
I'm a little hesitant to agree with you Snoochie, because towards the latter part of last season I personally didn't feel Kapono that big of a liability on defense as much as some others thought. It was his offensive game that I think hurt us more at the time. I mean, I think he did an admirable job against guys like Hedo and Evans in the playoffs too. His lateral quickness definitely improved from the Fall of '07 to the Spring of '08. Definitely something I think we'll see improved this fall from Kapono. He's going to become a "buzz" around the team and the league again much like he was last summer just before signing here in Toronto.

But yes, absolutely from a defensive perspective Moon is hands down the better option. That I will agree with you with.
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I'm a little hesitant to agree with you Snoochie, because towards the latter part of last season I personally didn't feel Kapono that big of a liability on defense as much as some others thought. It was his offensive game that I think hurt us more at the time. I mean, I think he did an admirable job against guys like Hedo and Evans in the playoffs too. His lateral quickness definitely improved from the Fall of '07 to the Spring of '08. Definitely something I think we'll see improved this fall from Kapono. He's going to become a "buzz" around the team and the league again much like he was last summer just before signing here in Toronto.

But yes, absolutely from a defensive perspective Moon is hands down the better option. That I will agree with you with.
To add what you said, Riley said that in a team defense Kaps is very good, so potential is there, its just that our team concept is" get the rebound"
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To add what you said, Riley said that in a team defense Kaps is very good, so potential is there, its just that our team concept is" get the rebound"
Something that this franchise have struggled with since the days of Antonio Davis and Oak.
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Something that this franchise have struggled with since the days of Antonio Davis and Oak.
Not anymore..
Bosh, JO, Hump, Moon all good rebounders
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JO and the Smitch are saying that one of either Bosh and JO will be on the floor at ALL times.
Not if either of them is injured. And you can count on both of them being lucky to pass 70 games. They won't be playing 48 a game, so at some point we're going to be rolling out Bargs and Hump/Jawai
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Not if either of them is injured. And you can count on both of them being lucky to pass 70 games. They won't be playing 48 a game, so at some point we're going to be rolling out Bargs and Hump/Jawai
That alright, hump and Bargs have been on the court together in the past and will in the future-and mabey JO and Bosh wont get hurt(doubt it) and I think Jawai is going to be a Diop level talent this year(no reason just gut feelin)
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What worries me about Kaps in the starting lineup is his defense. I think Moon s better to start for this reason along with the fact that at the start of a game you need to establish inside presence which means that JO and Bosh will get the Majority of the touches with AP/Jose on the outside and Moon cutting. I do however think that Kaps should close out every quarter after inside game is established.

So I gues play moon for the first 5 or 6 per quarter with Kaps closing them out.
With Bosh and O'Neal lurking in the paint Kapono instantly becomes far less of a liability on defense. To get the max potential out of him they need him in the starting five this year. Sam finally figured out how to get him open shots in the playoffs and he knocked down most of them...Well, he knock down his open shots all season too but it was rare to see him get the open look. Now with two guys inside demanding a double team at times there will be a lot more open shots for Kapono. Think back to his final season in Miami with Shaq and Wade. Thats what I expect out if him this year.

At the end of the day the Raptors were a top ten defensive team last year:

http://www.sportsline.com/nba/stats/...1=4&_1:col_2=4

...and with Jermaine in town thats only going to get better. They can afford to keep Jason in the starting five and on nights when they're facing LeBron, T-Mac and other players of that level they could put Moon in there.

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With Bosh and O'Neal lurking in the paint Kapono instantly becomes far less of a liability on defense. To get the max potential out of him they need him in the starting five this year. Sam finally figured out how to get him open shots in the playoffs and he knocked down most of them...Well, he knock down his open shots all season too but it was rare to see him get the open look. Now with two guys inside demanding a double team at times there will be a lot more open shots for Kapono. Think back to his final season in Miami with Shaq and Wade. Thats what I expect out if him this year.

At the end of the day the Raptors were a top ten defensive team last year and with Jermaine in town thats only going to get better. They can afford to keep Jason in the starting five and on nights when they're not facing LeBron, T-Mac and other players of that level.
Sounds good but if hes in the starting lineup AP needs to come off the bench because a bench with the only scorer being Bargs is pretty week.
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You need to forget about last season when the team had a bench full of guys who were around at the same level because they don't have that now. I think Sam is going to go with an 8 or 9 man rotation,which is pretty common among teams who have weak benches.:

O'Neal
Bosh
Kapono
Parker
Calderon
Bargnani
Moon
Adams or Ukic

I think the starters will all get big minutes this year and so they won't need to have a couple good scorers off the bench even though Adams, Ukic and Moon all have the potential to show up on any given night. I would not be surprised at all if Calderon gets 35-38 minutes a game. Last season when he was getting that kind of PT while TJ was out the team went on a nice roll.
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At the end of the day the Raptors were a top ten defensive team last year:

http://www.sportsline.com/nba/stats/...1=4&_1:col_2=4
Just looking at points allowed doesn't make a team a top defensive team.

It's not pace adjusted, nor does it account for when and how they gave up those points.

The Raptors play at a relatively slow pace. So that negativel effects the points per game for both teams. And while their FG% against was average, their effective FG% against indicates that they didn't defend well against the three, something that hurts them as a defensive unit, especially late in games.

They were a better defensive team than people gave them credit for. They were not a legitimate top 10 defensive team. They certainly could be this year though, as a greater inside presence will allow them to play tougher on the perimeter as well.

But regardless, I agree with your sentiment. Kapono should start. He's intelligent defensively, just a little athletically challenged. His defense is fine for covering the opposing team's last option, and improves exponentially when he's out there with other quality defenders.
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But regardless, I agree with your sentiment. Kapono should start. He's intelligent defensively, just a little athletically challenged. His defense is fine for covering the opposing team's last option, and improves exponentially when he's out there with other quality defenders.
We'll have to agree to disagree on the PPG allowed stat. This part of your post above I do agree with. Everybody raved about Jorge's defense when he was here but Kapono is more athletic and quick than Jorge. I thought Kapono's D in the playoffs was that bad, he put forth a lot of effort and that was Jorge's secret weapon. If Jorge could get it done with that body then so too can Jason if he busts his ass like he did in the playoffs.
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