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Old 10-31-2013, 09:36 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Sure, but why would Morey give up Motiejunas and release one of his other players to get Gray+Daye?

I think Motiejunas will get his chances eventually. They are starting Asik because Asik is a very good player, even if he's not a great fit. He's their 3rd best player. Besides, they don't want him to lose trade value.

But Asik and Howard are only playing some 10-15 minutes together. There are still 30+ minutes available at PF. Motiejunas has every chance to get those minutes, if he proves he's good enough. But right now they'd rather go small and play Garcia+Parsons at forward spots than give those minutes to Motiejunas. And that's because Motiejunas has issues with defense, rebounding, and his shooting still needs a lot of work. Until he fixes some of those flaws, he'll struggle to get consistent minutes. But it doesn't mean that they'll just give him away for nothing.
Well, maybe Morey could trade it for something else afterwards? Motiejūnas just doesn't seem to fit into their team and I'm really scared that such talented player may end up into nothing after sitting on the bench so much during his early years.
Howard plays at PF and Asik at C. Combined they will play around 60-70 minutes in these two positions. All D-Mo will be able to get with a few more players is about 5 minutes of crumbs. And it's a pity when he can be much more useful for other teams. For example, compare Asik stats when he was Noah assistant in Bulls (3 pts, 5 rebs) and when he moved to Houston (10 pts, 12 rebs). D-Mo would surely improve his stats at least twice in other team without Twin Towers II.

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Well, maybe Morey could trade it for something else afterwards? Motiejūnas just doesn't seem to fit into their team and I'm really scared that such talented player may end up into nothing after sitting on the bench so much during his early years.
Howard plays at PF and Asik at C. Combined they will play around 60-70 minutes in these two positions. All D-Mo will be able to get with a few more players is about 5 minutes of crumbs. And it's a pity when he can be much more useful for other teams. For example, compare Asik stats when he was Noah assistant in Bulls (3 pts, 5 rebs) and when he moved to Houston (10 pts, 12 rebs). D-Mo would surely improve his stats at least twice in other team without Twin Towers II.
Motiejunas is a young solid prospect, a 7 footer with nice agility, post moves, floor vision and a developing shot. There's clear upside, it's just that currently his flaws (defense, rebounding, shooting consistency) are quite big. On the other hand, Gray has no upside, and Daye is a scrub who was available for free this summer. So if Morey wants to have a trade piece, then Motiejunas is a much better trade piece. If Morey wants a long term development project, then Motiejunas is also a better piece. I think a team would have to at least offer a draft pick to land Motiejunas. Or it would have to be a bigger deal where Houston gets a legit rotation player.

As for Asik and Dwight, they will get 48 minutes combined at center, and Dwight will get 10-15 minutes at PF. I remember McHale or Morey saying that earlier this summer, and so far they are following that plan. Most of PF minutes are available. But Motiejunas has to prove he's worth those minutes. Right now they'd rather go small and play two SFs. But if Motiejunas proves he can hit 3s consistently or provides defense/rebounding, he'll play.
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Old 10-31-2013, 10:19 AM   #23 (permalink)
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we get it. you love the guy.
but frankly there is better PF right now to improve the team.
like i said why not. but only if if we go in tank mode. there he will get some minutes to play and developp.

even so, there still are many prospect Pf, especially canadians ones, whom are better suited than him : TT, Nicholson and maybe Olynyk.
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I've been thinking about us acquring D-Mo ever since his solid Eurobasket performance too.

Initially, Donatas was hailed as the "Lithuanian Bargnani" - but he's more than that. He's way more agressive and tougher. I'd love for us to get them together too. They're a similar age, have great size together (both around 7 feet) and could grow together for us and their national teams.
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I think a team would have to at least offer a draft pick to land Motiejunas. Or it would have to be a bigger deal where Houston gets a legit rotation player.
As I said before, why not to include him as a small piece of Gay/DeRozan trade which may (and probably will) happen this year? These two are good, but only for average teams. From what I understand, Ujiri wants to bring titles to Toronto and they're too weak for that. Trading them for a good point guard, acquiring D-Mo, tanking this year and drafting decent young SF could lead into a huge success after a few years.

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He wouldn't get much playing time here either. He would be 3rd in the rotation, behind Amir and TH. I think teams like 76ers or Bobcats would be better fit for him
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Although I wouldn't mind it what would the raps have that they want beside JV. They have Parsons, Harden, Asik and DH12. I don't think they'd want KL given the history, he's expiring, and would want a long term deal.
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He wouldn't get much playing time here either. He would be 3rd in the rotation, behind Amir and TH. I think teams like 76ers or Bobcats would be better fit for him
One of them should be traded anyway as TH and Amir are similar style players (Amir is more impressive IMO). Raps need Love/Bosh/P.Gasol style big man with 3-pts/mid range ability in addition to JV and that's why D-Mo could fit.
76ers have Noel and Hawes. Doesn't sound exciting for D-Mo either.

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One of them should be traded anyway as TH and Amir are similar style players (Amir is more impressive IMO). Raps need Love/Bosh/P.Gasol style big man with 3-pts/mid range ability in addition to JV and that's why D-Mo could fit.
76ers have Noel and Hawes. Doesn't sound exciting for D-Mo either.

Amir and JV duo works very well and TH is by far our best player of the bench. we really don't need another guy chucking 3's.
oh and Noel is done for the season
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Amir and JV duo works very well and TH is by far our best player of the bench. we really don't need another guy chucking 3's.
oh and Noel is done for the season
I honestly don't think that Hansbrough is much better than D-Mo and he is in his prime years already (almost 28) while D-Mo is still learning and developing. Raptors won't win title this or the next season, which means D-Mo is also better for the future and Hansbrough plays worse each season. Chucking 3's guy would create opportunities for Amir and JV, which is always useful.
Noel will return next season and will surely play very well.
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I have to add that I'm against bringing in another Lithuanian. Kleiza was useful cause he could help Val get used to NBA life but Motie can't teach him anything.

I don't want Val and Motie to form a Lithuanian enclave in the Raps locker room. I want Val to integrate as much as possible.
I never even thought of it like that.

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Motiejunas is still young and on his rookie contract, and has value as a prospect. They won't accept our trash for him.

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I've been thinking about us acquring D-Mo ever since his solid Eurobasket performance too.

Initially, Donatas was hailed as the "Lithuanian Bargnani" - but he's more than that. He's way more aggressive and tougher. I'd love for us to get them together too. They're a similar age, have great size together (both around 7 feet) and could grow together for us and their national teams.
I'd love to add him to our frontcourt and I agree that he'd be a great addition to grow with JV.

I haven't seen much of him but I liked what I DID see. Tough kid with range on his shot and good size too.
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I honestly don't think that Hansbrough is much better than D-Mo and he is in his prime years already (almost 28) while D-Mo is still learning and developing. Raptors won't win title this or the next season, which means D-Mo is also better for the future and Hansbrough plays worse each season. Chucking 3's guy would create opportunities for Amir and JV, which is always useful.
Noel will return next season and will surely play very well.
This statement shows how absurd your pumping of D-Mo is.

Our chucking 3's guy, chucked himself to NY, where he's still chucking and ducking. May be Austin Daye is too much for D-No.
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This statement shows how absurd your pumping of D-Mo is.

Our chucking 3's guy, chucked himself to NY, where he's still chucking and ducking. May be Austin Daye is too much for D-No.
And how about Pau Gasol, Love, Bosh? Worthless big mans with 3-pt abilities either? If one guy is an selfish asshole, it doesn't mean others are the same too. By the way, D-Mo current rookie contract is about 1.5-2 mills, which means Raps could have young and really perspective big mans combination for ~5m combined, along with JV. Looks like Ujiri's worth deal.
Last night D-Mo stats: 4 minutes, 1 point. His value should be extremely low at the moment and trade is almost guaranteed this year. Can't wait for his new team, where he should have at least 20-25 minutes, 10 pts, 5 rebs. Would love to see you talking the same after that. He already had similar stats with 62 FG% during February-March, when he was Rockets starting-five member for 10 games and got 15-20 minutes of playing time. Good luck ducking with Daye.
Raptors will never become a good team if they will always hope that they will get good, already well-known players without taking any risks. Look at Spurs, look at David Lee story who was an lazy guy at the beginning of his career and averaged 5 points during his first year. Spurs are finalist, Lee is an All-Star. And Raptors is...?

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Rockets ignores him second season in a row... They enjoy Asik and Howard duo more than him with Howard. Look how they messed up with Lin. D-Mo seems to be a similar story.
The thing is, I doubt that we have something that Rox want from us. They got a good team and the only thing they're looking to do is to trade Asik and maybe same Dmo or T-Jones for an elite PF. Amir is not elite, even if we could use Dmo and i believe he would be a very nice fit here, I would say he's not a 3pt shooter, but he is a very good post up player.

Another thing is, Rox are Championship material, but Clutchfans and manament are interested in what Dmo brings he still got 2 year of cheap contract with a chance to be a late bloom allstar when he will start getting his starts and his touches.

As I sad, i would be thrilled to see DMO here, cuz he's no were near like Bargnani, he's a gym rat and already a very polished offensive player, yes his defense and rebounding looked good in pre-season, but he's not as good as Howard or Asik and on a championship team we all know that the best line up must play.
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Rockets ignores him second season in a row... They enjoy Asik and Howard duo more than him with Howard. Look how they messed up with Lin. D-Mo seems to be a similar story.
The thing is, I doubt that we have something that Rox want from us. They got a good team and the only thing they're looking to do is to trade Asik and maybe same Dmo or T-Jones for an elite PF. Amir is not elite, even if we could use Dmo and i believe he would be a very nice fit here, I would say he's not a 3pt shooter, but he is a very good post up player.

Another thing is, Rox are Championship material, but Clutchfans and manament are interested in what Dmo brings he still got 2 year of cheap contract with a chance to be a late bloom allstar when he will start getting his starts and his touches.

As I sad, i would be thrilled to see DMO here, cuz he's no were near like Bargnani, he's a gym rat and already a very polished offensive player, yes his defense and rebounding looked good in pre-season, but he's not as good as Howard or Asik and on a championship team we all know that the best line up must play.

And about lLin.... How they messed him? He had good 3 months of bball and because of that he has to be number 1 option on offense, be a star and a leader? No, thank you, but the fact that he mproved his 3pt shooter and looks more comfortable with it is a good sign, Houston need 3pt shooters.
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The thing is, I doubt that we have something that Rox want from us. They got a good team and the only thing they're looking to do is to trade Asik and maybe same Dmo or T-Jones for an elite PF. Amir is not elite, even if we could use Dmo and i believe he would be a very nice fit here, I would say he's not a 3pt shooter, but he is a very good post up player.

Another thing is, Rox are Championship material, but Clutchfans and manament are interested in what Dmo brings he still got 2 year of cheap contract with a chance to be a late bloom allstar when he will start getting his starts and his touches.

As I sad, i would be thrilled to see DMO here, cuz he's no were near like Bargnani, he's a gym rat and already a very polished offensive player, yes his defense and rebounding looked good in pre-season, but he's not as good as Howard or Asik and on a championship team we all know that the best line up must play.

And about lLin.... How they messed him? He had good 3 months of bball and because of that he has to be number 1 option on offense, be a star and a leader? No, thank you, but the fact that he mproved his 3pt shooter and looks more comfortable with it is a good sign, Houston need 3pt shooters.
Indeed. D-Mo is more post player than 3-pt shooter. His 3-pt ability is more like: "If you won't guard me there, I may shoot it, so get your ass over here".

Anyway, currently he's like Gray in Toronto and I think Raps could afford him somehow alone. Let's offer that NYK pick. Is it possible to get something more exciting with it anyway? After all, Raps will surely get a lot of new picks if they're planning to trade Gay and DeRozan.

And about Lin... Rockets signed him in 2011 with a crappy contract and waived away later that year. And when he started to shine in NYK, they signed him with much greater contract in 2012. That's a really great mess up example.

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