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Caronte 11-13-2012 10:21 PM

4th quarter
 
In three games (Pacers at home, Utah, and almost Pacers today), when we are dominating and winning the game , it reaches the last quarter and all the work during the the rest of the game is gone.

This happens in all the games that we arrived with advantage until the fourth quarter.

Whatīs going on? ... tiredness, anxiety, fear...

isnīt coincidence IMO

Dario 11-13-2012 10:24 PM

we need lowry, /thread

moujik 11-13-2012 10:24 PM

Bargnani gets substituted in? Por supuesto!

Admiral 11-13-2012 10:25 PM

its because the Raptors don't know how to play with a lead and they start panicking because they're afraid of the opponent possibly taking their play to another level and not being able to defend it
probably also afraid the refs' bias calling is going to begin

Bargn88 11-13-2012 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by moujik (Post 703415)
Bargnani gets substituted in? Por supuesto!

Quit Trolling bro, Bargnani again did not see action in the 4th quarter until very late, at which point again the lead had dwindled. He actually did a good job of closing off Hansbrough, who was throwing his weight around on the offensive boards.

He only took one shot the entire 4th quarter, a post up fade away on West.

The team made 1 FG the entire quarter.

They were playing on a back2back after a triple overtime loss.

Need I say more?

LX 11-13-2012 10:29 PM

They need to find the right pace. They can't afford too many possessions without letdowns from the defense. They need to get easy points in transition off defense when they can, but just running and taking quick shots ends up killing their defense in the long run. Get stops, find a rhythm and execute. That saves some energy throughout the game, and gives them some sense of what to do when they need to play that way late.

Tonight was just guys being worn down, and really they did a great job of not giving up anything in the third.

Dario 11-13-2012 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bargn88 (Post 703421)
Quit Trolling bro, Bargnani again did not see action in the 4th quarter until very late, at which point again the lead had dwindled. He actually did a good job of closing off Hansbrough, who was throwing his weight around on the offensive boards.

He only took one shot the entire 4th quarter, a post up fade away on West.

The team made 1 FG the entire quarter.

They were playing on a back2back after a triple overtime loss.

Need I say more?

lol. bargs' stat line is upsetting, but he didnt do half bad defending

Bargn88 11-13-2012 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dario (Post 703425)
lol. bargs' stat line is upsetting, but he didnt do half bad defending

I think the fact that he scored even a single bucket is amazing considering he's terrible on back2backs. He doesn't have the same atheleticism as Derozan nor the youth, to play 100 minutes in 2 nights.

That being said, if you look at the stat sheet it's pretty horrendous all around.

Val and Ross stand out, and makes sense considering they didn't play much last night, and had more energy.

Calderon's statline is just nasty

LX 11-13-2012 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dario (Post 703425)
lol. bargs' stat line is upsetting, but he didnt do half bad defending

He fought pretty good, finding Hansbrough's body.

But that shot lead to easy points as per usual. And his poor execution in not getting a shot up didn't help anything. He looked like a frightened child, and should not have been in there, but at least he didn't completely kill us.

MikeToronto 11-13-2012 11:59 PM

We lack closers. Lowry could be one, DeRozan (praying) is looking to become one.

Don Vito 11-14-2012 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeToronto (Post 703484)
We lack closers. Lowry could be one, DeRozan (praying) is looking to become one.

I think DeRozan can evolve into a closer. Its not like you wake up one day & become a closer, you have to be put into those situations & get that experience... the triple overtime loss is a prime example of this.

SoGood 11-14-2012 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 703490)
I think DeRozan can evolve into a closer. Its not like you wake up one day & become a closer, you have to be put into those situations & get that experience... the triple overtime loss is a prime example of this.

I like him in the post trying to score... but he can't take fade away jumpers in the 4th.
it's not refined yet. he still needs to attack the hoop. it's what he does best at this point.

Shifty.py 11-14-2012 12:45 AM

Demar was trying to attack the rim but got jobbed by refs and that affects him a lot. Needs to use more head and control and learn to make a pass else its useless.

Team overall is doing too much standing around, thats on Casey. Its 4th but we still need to make plays not hope something happens.

carp 11-14-2012 08:42 AM

With all of the missed FT's in the third by the Pacers and that huge leaning three by JL3 we were fortunate to get out of the third with the lead in double digits. Momentum had clearly shifted though and they were starting to be more aggressive.

fancylad 11-14-2012 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeToronto (Post 703484)
We lack closers. Lowry could be one, DeRozan (praying) is looking to become one.

exactly. We need someone who is confident and good enough to take the ball and make something happen.

bozonic 11-14-2012 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by moujik (Post 703415)
Bargnani gets substituted in? Por supuesto!

Verdad

bozonic 11-14-2012 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeToronto (Post 703484)
We lack closers. Lowry could be one, DeRozan (praying) is looking to become one.

Bang on. Bargs looks worried he is going to get the ball, Jose looks uncomfortable, Amir forced to drive and put up shit. The only guy on the team who does not look intimidated is Kleiza but unfortunately his confidence runs ahead of his shot selections ... Where is Paul Pierce or LeBron when you need them... Raps stand around offense collapses when the D is applied. We need a guy who can make his own shot...

Depressing :cookie:

Superjudge 11-14-2012 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LX (Post 703430)
He fought pretty good, finding Hansbrough's body.

But that shot lead to easy points as per usual. And his poor execution in not getting a shot up didn't help anything. He looked like a frightened child, and should not have been in there, but at least he didn't completely kill us.

um, they scored 5 whole points, which of the other stiffs was so much better that they SHOULD have been out there?

im not defending AB so much as I'm finding it absolutely ridiculous that anyone would blame just one guy for the overall shittiness of this squad.

Dario 11-14-2012 04:20 PM

it seems like no one wants the ball in the fourth, lowry would be someone that would want the ball in his hands at all times during clutch moments.

Superjudge 11-14-2012 05:42 PM

I dont think thats it. I think, that these guys don't have a proper offence, or properly defined roles. They seem in complete disarray when it counts. You know it's funny, I watched Semi Pro last night, and Woody comes in and makes the team run the same routes for hours, or, until they "puke". The reason is that when the pressure is on, and fatigue is high, you will not have to think your way through anything, your just run plays and react to changes.

Ya think this team is there yet?

Fuck.........no.


:)

Toronto, and I have felt like ti=his for all but maybe 4-5 years of their existence, is cooked in any close game once it gets to crunch time. I never feel like they can win.


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